Spectator Safety and Security Issue (revised)

[blue1]

Did anyone else spot the guy in the crop field? He doesn't seem to be part of the staff as they would be wearing high vis vest out in the open by the GA Aircraft. Probably thinks he is clever when actually risking his and other peoples safety not to mention the future enjoyment of the paying public.




Re-posted the pic (strange I could see it but not there when viewing from another pc)

[hunterxf382]

No Picture?

[Flyforfun]

I can see the picture now ! Well he looks like he is in the farmers field so i wouldn't worry too much.

[Thumper]

He looks like a Meercat

Could be worse, at least Airshows don't seem to attract streakers running across the runway!

[EMarsh]

He looks like a Meercat

Could be worse, at least Airshows don't seem to attract streakers running across the runway!

Now there's an idea...

It'd be one of those times where having a large lens would really come in handy..

[Chrisse]

Or a microscope in some cases, if you really want to insult the streaker

[PeterR]

Or a microscope in some cases, if you really want to insult the streaker

[PaulHP]

He should be fine the farmer sprayed the crop early on Saturday morning

[frank]

I rememebr a few years ago at Shoreham, a similar idiot tried to creep up on the west (live) side of the airfield. They stopped the airshow until said idiot was moved on by Police. Why dont other airshows do the same.
Same risk for me as the crowds immediately on the north side of the Boundary fence at RIAT (but thats a separate topic) under RIAT threads
One of these days someone will wake up to these risks and hopefully do something about them

[ericbee123]

One of these days someone will wake up to these risks and hopefully do something about them

Unfortunately that might be "Well we cannot do anything about people outside of the airfield so the show will have to take place solely inside the airfield boundaries or not at all".

It is OK saying "aren't these people at Duxford mad" or "aren't these people at RIAT mad", well what about the people shopping in ASDA in Farnborough while the airshow takes place over their head are they mad ?

It is a problem that cannot be stopped, you can only protect the people in the 'crowdline' and in your airfield, if your airshow takes planes 'off base' then there is no real solution as I can see it, you would need to get other peoples permission to restrict people outside of your control, or in the case of Farnborough, shut down most of the town, cause this is all in the display path, as the display line is moved further and further back from the crowdline.

A display jet dropping on ASDA in Farnborough is going to raise more eyebrows than something falling off and landing on the guy in the field in that picture, in my humble opinion.

[Flyforfun]

If the people are outside there is not a lot you can do, its down to your own choice whether you think its dangerous a refreshing thing in this day and age of H&S .
As for shoreham it has a busy A road at the end of runway ,but they don't close that .

[wv383]

The point with the Shoreham incident was that the man in question had encroached on airport property, therefore something could be done about it. Also, where he was, on the land directly opposite the corwdline, was that he was even closer to the display line than the crowd and therefore within the total exclusion area. The only people allowed over that side are those directly involved with the show. Namely, safety crews, those actively working on the pyrotechnics (and only those directly working on them and they now have to remove themselves from there outside of those times) and specially escorted camera crews, who are only permitted at a time and for the length of time, agreed with the Display Director. Even staff photographers are not permitted on that side of the airfield.

Other instances referred to in this thread appear to relate to people being in what some believe to be daft places, but being outside the boundary, there is little that the show organisers can do, unless the owner of the land calls in the authorities.

[PaulHP]

He's in a safer spot being in the field than this guy!



Up a tree at the M11 end of the runway (or has he been drinking Red Bull?)

[Bjcc]

No, Shoreham don't close the A27 outside, because they can't.
There is a right to freedom of movement, of assembly and also the concept of personal resposibility. No doubt one day there will be an accident outside of an airshow, and no doubt anyone injured will rush to the courts. In spite of the perception held by some, they will loose, unless there is some unrelated gross negligence shown by an aircraft operator.
The airshow themsleves hold little if any responsibilty, and are absolved by the clearance, 'display at your discression'.

[Thumper]

Well I lived in Southwick and used the A27 everyday for work. 3 days before Shoreham Airshow one year I was THANKFULLY stationary on my motorbike on the A27 at the Shoreham Airfield traffic lights. Just as well because the 2 Harriers came in very low with the nozzles down to land and the "wash" was so powerful I had a bit of a struggle keeping my bike upright.

Doesnt bother me as such, it was so cool being on my bike and having 2 Harriers over my head but I guess other people are easily distracted and having a couple of fighter planes that low you always get some numbskull not looking where they are going like the Italian truckdriver on the M25 the other day who was taking photographs of a jumbo taking off from Heathrow whilst trying to drive an HGV with no hands

[DamienB]

Up a tree at the M11 end of the runway (or has he been drinking Red Bull?)

Standing on the bank on the Duxford village side of the M11, no tree climbing required.

[andyxh558]

how about this pillock on the centre line at brize (pic from Ian Waudby from tvoc forum)



him and his mate were causing grief at bruntingthorpe too.

[Mictheslik]

how about this pillock on the centre line at brize (pic from Ian Waudby from tvoc forum)



him and his mate were causing grief at bruntingthorpe too.

You just hope that a C17 does one of their very low appproaches...that'd brown his trousers

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[Thumper]

A Catalina landing would sort him out, they always come in real lowwwww

[jetwash]

Or get a certain Harrier pilot to try and make him flinch...

[SuffolkBlue]

Went along to the show today. I haven’t got a major problem with people over the far side by the road, but at one point I counted 10 people just over the other side of the airfield boundary going from the light planes at the M11 end to the L-39. Ignorance?

[blue1]

I counted 10 people just over the other side of the airfield boundary going from the light planes at the M11 end to the L-39. Ignorance?

My point exactly, remember the tragic Lightning crash with Hoof Proudfoot....................

[T_J]

Went along to the show today. I haven’t got a major problem with people over the far side by the road, but at one point I counted 10 people just over the other side of the airfield boundary going from the light planes at the M11 end to the L-39. Ignorance?

The subject has already been debated to death! It ran to eleven pages last time for Duxford! Ten people is a very quiet day on that side!

Duxford

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8646

RIAT

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13857

TJ

[jaguarfarewellday]

how about this pillock on the centre line at brize (pic from Ian Waudby from tvoc forum)



him and his mate were causing grief at bruntingthorpe too.

pass the photograph to the RAF Police and ask them to pass it around all the raf base's to get shot of them both for good. its t**ts like these two who put the aircrews at danger and make our hobbies that little harder to follow.

[Kokpit]

Am I missing something here, why is the guy being lambasted?

I assume he is on a ladder, but as he's not at the front row of an airshow, obstructing paying guests, I'm not sure I see the problem.

As for the safety issue, if the additional '4 feet' or so are liable to become an issue, I would suggest that the landing aircraft is way out of approach profile. Furthermore, it shouldn't matter a hoot what the aircraft type is, it should still be on a 3 degree (or higher) profile.

If, as I suspect, he is on a ladder, why has he now become a t**t? He is no more of a threat than the others stood next to him, I seriously doubt the RAFP would be particularly interested, they certainly don't seem to be with the myriad of ladder users at Coningsby.