Flying Legends 2012

[jimbob1194]

Snafu and the Corsair have been up again tonight.

James

[Dragon Rapide]

Last year's list will be a good starting point for you......

P-51D-20 Mustang 44-63864 – Commanche Fighters

P-51D-25 Mustang 44-72917 – Air Fighter Academy

P-51D-25 Mustang 44-73149 – Old Flying Machine Company

TF-51D-25 Mustang 44-73871 – Max Alpha Aviation

P-51D-30 Mustang 44-74391 – Commanche Fighters

P-51D-30 Mustang 44-74427 – SNC SDPA

TF-51D-25 Mustang 44-84847 – The Fighter Collection

Vickers Supermarine Spitfires

Spitfire IA AR213 – Spitfire the One Ltd

Spitfire F VB BM597 – Historic Aircraft Collection

Spitfire F VB EP120 – The Fighter Collection

Spitfire HF VIII MV154 – Max Alpha Aviation

Spitfire LF IXC MH434 – The Old Flying Machine Company

Spitfire FR XIVE MV293 – The Fighter Collection

Spitfire LF XVIE TD248 – Aircraft Restoration Company

Spitfire PR XIX PS890 – Spitfire Warbirds

Curtiss Hawks

Hawk 75 No 82 – The Fighter Collection

P-40B 41-13297 – The Fighter Collection

P-40F Warhawk 41-19841 – The Fighter Collection

P-40N Warhawk 42-105915 – SNC SDPA

Vought F4U Corsairs

F4U-4 BuNo 96995 – The Flying Bulls

F4U-7 BuNo 124541 – Max Alpha Aviation

CASA HA-112-M1L Buchóns

HA-1112-M1L Buchón C.4K-31 – Richard Lake

HA-1112-M1L Buchón C.4K-102 – Aircraft Restoration Company

HA-1112-M1L Buchón C.4K-169 – Air Fighter Academy

Douglas AD-4 Skyraiders

AD-4NA Skyraider BuNo 124143 – AJBS

AD-4NA Skyraider BuNo 126933 – Kennet Aviation

AD-4N Skyraider BuNo 127002 – Vega Team/Skyraider Avignon

Douglas C-47/C-53

C-53D 42-68823 (11750/LN-WND) – Foundation Dakota Norway

C-47B 44-77020 (16604/F-AZOX) – Association Normandie

Hawker Fury/Sea Furies

Sea Fury T 20 VX281 – Royal Navy Historic Flight

Sea Fury T 20 WG655 – The Fighter Collection

Sea Fury FB 11 ‘WH589’ – Spitfire Warbirds

Hawker Nimrods

Nimrod I S1581 – The Fighter Collection

Nimrod II K3661 – Historic Aircraft Collection

Fokker Dr I Replicas

Dr I G-Fokk – Paul Ford

Dr I G-CDXR – John Day

Dr I SE-XXZ – Mikael Carlson

de Havilland Dragons/Dragon Rapide

DH 84 Dragon I G-ECAN – Norman Aeroplane Trust

DH 84 Dragon I EI-ABI – Aer Lingus

DH 89A Dragon Rapide G-AGJG – de Havilland Support

UC-43 Traveller

UC-43 Traveller BuNo 23689 – The Fighter Collection

Other Participants

Hurricane XII RCAF 5711 – Historic Aircraft Collection

Ju 52/3mg2e Wk-Nr 5489 – Lufthansa Traditionsflug

Swordfish II LS326 – Royal Navy Historic Flight

Nieuport 17 replica G-BWMJ – R Gauld-Galliers/M Larcombe

Hind ‘K5414’ – The Shuttleworth Trust

Demon K8203 – Demon Displays

Lancaster B I PA474 – Battle of Britain Memorial Flight

Morane D-3801 J-143 – Mobile Air Services

B-17G-105 Flying Fortress 44-85784 – B-17 Preservation

CASA 1.131E (Bü 131) Jungmann G-BSAJ – Pete Kynsey

CASA ES-1 (Bü 133) Jungmeister G-BUTX – John Brander

Yak-9UM 0470406 – Paul Boschung

F8F-2P Bearcat BuNo 121714 – The Fighter Collection

P-47G-10 Thunderbolt 42-25068 (static) – The Fighter Collection

P-38L/F-5G Lightning 44-53254 – The Flying Bulls

[pbeardmore]

is this new? another flightline enclosure for the well healed? less space for the core customers?

http://www.fighter-collection.com/image ... 202012.pdf

I think they maybe missing a trick here. On the Friday, there is lots to see with many airframes already arrived and plenty of check flights etc. The corporate market are quite happy to entertain on weekdays so why not have a private/preview/exclusive day on the Friday ( with the public not around, they could offer guided tours, meet the pilots etc etc, similar to Goodwood having preview days) and free up Saturday and Sunday for the core customers? More income and more flightline for core punters?

[Pen Pusher]

is this new? another flightline enclosure for the well healed? less space for the core customers?

There has always been corporate tents on that piece of grass between the tower and crash gate B . No new tent probably just new sponsor.

Brian

[Dragon Rapide]

is this new? another flightline enclosure for the well healed? less space for the core customers?

http://www.fighter-collection.com/image ... 202012.pdf

I think they maybe missing a trick here. On the Friday, there is lots to see with many airframes already arrived and plenty of check flights etc. The corporate market are quite happy to entertain on weekdays so why not have a private/preview/exclusive day on the Friday ( with the public not around, they could offer guided tours, meet the pilots etc etc, similar to Goodwood having preview days) and free up Saturday and Sunday for the core customers? More income and more flightline for core punters?

That's idea seems to have a great deal of merit, but I have no doubt here will be many reasons for not doing it!

I think Brian is right - a new sponsor for an old tent! But I don't follow your well-healed versus core customer comment. Out of the 30,000/40,000 visitors a few hundred will pay exorbitant prices for the marquees, so why not? If people want to spend large sums of money on what is on offer I cannot understand any objection to it. I met a family of Australians there a couple of years ago who had decided to do Duxford in style - it was the only show which fitted in with their itinerary - and they shelled out for the Gold Enclosure. They were happy, and the organisers were happy that they had happy visitors so Duxford joy alround!

[pbeardmore]

sorry if it came over as bitter, its a classic supply and demand curve situation and I do not for one minute blame TFC for creaming off the top of the demand curve and get them to pay extra. My idea re Friday was actually saying that they could exploit this market even more by having an exclusive event/day rather than an exclusive marquee.

Exclusivity is a key USP when offering expereinces to the corp market. So a preview day wouild offer something new and enable more places to tbe sold the one margue but still have little impact on the main event. (they could bundle in meet the pilots, guided tour of the aircraft, flight in a rapide, top food, even a jet display as technically, it would not be legends) etc, they could charge a very decent price for that, and some companies would want a whole marquee) I think the sticking point would be IWM as, for it to be truely exclusive, they would have to close to the public and they make a big revenue on the Friday.

OK, another idea, if the museum closes at 5pm, what about an exclusive preview evening with a mini-legends sunset display, flightline walk, the glider pair with some fireworks on their wings etc, evening champagne reception, guided tours of the hangers etc etc. If they run with that idea, I want 2% commision

[Dragon Rapide]

I really do think it is a good idea. And perhaps the anticipated IWM objection could be overcome by charging on the Marquee door or by production of a pre-paid ticket on the door. That would not inhibit the normal Friday visitor attendance and maybe there would be extra revenue for IWM anyway - they certainly charge for the show day stalls and marquees. Why not drop a note to TFC - after all they can only say no, but thanks, but perhaps there is the germ of an idea.......

[Pen Pusher]

The museum, a few years ago, tried to turn Legends Friday into an event day so they could charge more. We kicked up a stink about that and it didn't take place.

Brian

[Dragon Rapide]

But that is not what is being proposed, except for the few hundred who would be involved. And the idea as suggested would not involve additional charges for anyone but those who paid for the "event".

[Pen Pusher]

Why is any one concerned about making corporate events better any way.?

Brian

[pbeardmore]

Its hard to offer an exclusive package when the museum is open. Many of the people in this market simply dont normally go to public events and just stick to exclusive garden party style things If they have paid £200 for an exclusive experience, it may be tainted by knowing that someone just to the left of the marque has paid normal admission price.

There is a whole series of exclusive summer events that most members of the public dont even know exist and sometimes I get a little peak. Last year, I managed to get an invite to Paul Getty's private cricket ground at Wormsley. I felt a little out of place (my passat looked out of place amongst the Aston Martins!). as all the people there know each other and just spoke about all the other events that they were planning to attend over the summer There is a whole "summer season" culture to be tapped into in terms of revenue. Goodwood was really exploited that market very well and I am surprised that Shuttleworth in particular have not focussed more on that market. If you can become a regular event "to be seen at" with "the in crowd", it is a money maker.

[pbeardmore]

Why is any one concerned about making corporate events better any way.?

Brian

No bucks - no Buck Rogers

[Dragon Rapide]

Well perhaps TFC has already considered something along those lines and rejected it for the reasons you mention, but I am quite sure they would not be averse to a suggestion - after all, as you have implied, the more their income the more chance we have of seeing more "SNAFUs"!!

[Pen Pusher]

Imagine chucking out of the museum several thousand photographers early on a Friday on a Legends weekend when they know there is going to be a mini Flying Legends for an exclusive few later on. Do you honestly think all those photographers are going to go home and not park up on the surrounding roads or invade the naughty field?. Cambridgeshire police would love that.

Brian

[pbeardmore]

did not mention chucking out (wonderfully emotive language) and did not mention early.

[Dragon Rapide]

Surely not "several thousand" of the Pen Pusher-type photographer. I would accept several hundred, certainly. I think the case rests, as has been mentioned, on the way these events are arranged and that the guests will want exclusivity and it is that which would legislate against the idea. But when the museum is closed, might be the logical answer.

I think we are trying to see the idea objectively as I would certainly not be one of the guests and neither perhaps would Mr Beardmore but you, understandably, see it from a very subjective viewpoint.

[pbeardmore]

OK, Pen Pusher, turn the problem into an opportunity,

charge the several hundred (or thousand) photgraphers £5 a head extra for an exclusive sunset photography evening (advance tickets only so no cash handling on the day) up by the tank bank,(that would keep them off the streets or out of the naughty field )

the loos in the Land Warfare part are already there so low overhead, burger van already in place so just needs staffing, they park and leave by the airshow exit (so 2 or 3 security/traffic staff required), seperate from the main museum entrance which is reserved for Aston Martins etc,

(just need to watch the wind direction as the Aston Martin crowd do not want the wiff of donkey burgers spoiling their pan fried trout )

bobs your uncle

[F-86]

Maybe TFC feel like they have worked hard as it is and wouldn't want that extra workload the evening before a big two day show, just a thought.

[Bert Lee]

Maybe TFC feel like they have worked hard as it is and wouldn't want that extra workload the evening before a big two day show, just a thought.

I would have to agree, as a humble engineer the workload we have on the Friday before legends is very high, with aircraft movements, practice displays and arrivals often going on well after hours.

Add to that any snags we have to fix on the aircraft before the saturday show, putting ten plus aircraft away and the fact we have to be back at the airfield for before 6am the next day to start again really does make this idea a non starter.

It is a lovely idea but i think that is all it ever will be.

Regards

Bert

[pbeardmore]

All very fair and reasonable points

[Dragon Rapide]

Yes, indeed - good to hear an "insider's" opinion and illustrates the work involved which we take for granted.

[The Dudster]

Posted on the Aviation waffle thread by Timuss on Thur 10th May New P-40 for Stephen Grey and TFC
Hope the Sun shines to make it look good

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?f ... =1&theater

[duxfordhawk]

Posted on the Aviation waffle thread by Timuss on Thur 10th May New P-40 for Stephen Grey and TFC
Hope the Sun shines to make it look good

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?f ... =1&theater

She will look amazing along aside their other P-40B bit suprised they are bringing in another to be honest though.

[jimbob1194]

Doesn't bother me! Three P-40's in one collection is incredibly tasty!

James

[8674planes]

And rare. 3 p-40's in one collection!