Flying Legends 2015

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Pen Pusher wrote:Lest hope the weather on the continent is better this time. :biggrin:

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Excellent news, really want to catch the Lightning again! B25 is always nice to see, too :smile:

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Does anyone else get a feeling of déjà vu? What will be confirmed next? Dakota Norway's Dak? Lufthansa's JU52 and 108?
Don't get me wrong, it's always great to see these aircraft but bar one, maybe two star items every year the same participants turn up. For the price we're charged it would be nice to see some more of the rarer European aircraft don't you think?
I16 again, Dassault Flamant pair, Noratlas, LI.2, how about the EADS 109s?
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The Baron wrote:Does anyone else get a feeling of déjà vu?


As with all air shows, especially RIAT?

The Baron wrote:What will be confirmed next? Dakota Norway's Dak? Lufthansa's JU52


You do know they are charter flights and would be coming any way.

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Pen Pusher wrote:
The Baron wrote:Does anyone else get a feeling of déjà vu?


As with all air shows, especially RIAT?

Granted, and I knew that argument would be thrown out there. However RIAT is primarily an airshow of modern aircraft, different types of which are getting fewer and fewer with multiple users of F16s etc. Legends focuses on "warbirds" of which airworthy types are luckily getting more plentiful. Wouldn't it be nice to see something different?

The Baron wrote:What will be confirmed next? Dakota Norway's Dak? Lufthansa's JU52


You do know they are charter flights and would be coming any way?

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Yes, but do you see my point?
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No.

I go to an air show because it's an air show not because of what's in it.

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Pen Pusher wrote:No.

I go to an air show because it's an air show not because of what's in it.

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You might have noticed from my signature that I'm planning on attending several shows this year, as I have done before. You're a big Duxford fan so I don't expect to agree with you on this subject however as I've said, for the money I don't think Legends is pulling out all the stops. The crowd line is cramped, flying condensed into a few hours, star items are underused and the same suspects return year after year. Give me La Ferte Alais any day. You should try it too, Brian.
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You do realise that La Ferte changes year on year just as much as Legends does right? I say scrap the typical Legends Spitfire opening sequence that people often moan is boring and replace it with the typical La Ferte opener, two motor gliders bimbling around to the Jurassic Park theme. I would genuinely love to see the reactions!

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would love to see the FW109 again.
we planning to fly again on Sunday.

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HuwJHopkins wrote:...I say scrap the typical Legends Spitfire opening sequence that people often moan is boring.....


Once again an illustration of the massive gulf between the few enthusiasts to be mostly found taking up the majority of the front row at the crowdline and the rest of the audience. Suggest to the average "family audience" that a tailchase/sequence involving a fair number of Spitfires is "boring" and you would be met with total incomprehension at best and the assumption that you are some sort of deviant at worst.

If that sequence really does bore you I suggest that you turn round at look at the rest of the audience. You will find that the vast majority are totally enthralled. It is only the "enthusiasts" who find such displays less than amazing....The same applies to (especially) the Breitling Wingwalkers display, commonly slated on here as "boring filler", yet whenever I have been accompanied to shows by non-enthusiasts (usually family members or people I know through work or motorsport who come along "just to see what it's about") they consider these two items plus the Red Arrows and the BBMF to be the highlights of any show.

EDIT: If you can name any other aircraft more suited to the appellation "legend" than the Spitfire (though I am aware that much of the lore surrounding this aircraft is due to "hype" and erroneous beliefs), please name it; I know I can't (at least in the UK...)
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....I still find a Spitfire tail chase entertaining. :hide:

I really don't get this anti-enthusiast rhetoric by... Well, enthusiasts at the moment. Christ, how boring would the show-scene be if every person liked exactly the same stuff as the next.

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I was thinking about this only last night. I find the phrase "familiarity breeds contempt" so apt for many discussions on this forum.
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I love watch watching the wingwalkers
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Tommy wrote:....I still find a Spitfire tail chase entertaining.


Same here, nothing that I love more in fact. I thought that the one at the start of Flying Legends last year was one of the best that I have seen, certainly outshone some other occasions. I think the problem is on certain occasions the bar is set very high and they then have to live up to the expectations that they have created and when they don't the routines are (rightly, in my opinion) criticised. However, some people seem to be of the opinion that they should be above any criticism at all.

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phreakf4 wrote:
HuwJHopkins wrote:...I say scrap the typical Legends Spitfire opening sequence that people often moan is boring.....


Once again an illustration of the massive gulf between the few enthusiasts to be mostly found taking up the majority of the front row at the crowdline and the rest of the audience. Suggest to the average "family audience" that a tailchase/sequence involving a fair number of Spitfires is "boring" and you would be met with total incomprehension at best and the assumption that you are some sort of deviant at worst.

If that sequence really does bore you I suggest that you turn round at look at the rest of the audience. You will find that the vast majority are totally enthralled. It is only the "enthusiasts" who find such displays less than amazing....The same applies to (especially) the Breitling Wingwalkers display, commonly slated on here as "boring filler", yet whenever I have been accompanied to shows by non-enthusiasts (usually family members or people I know through work or motorsport who come along "just to see what it's about") they consider these two items plus the Red Arrows and the BBMF to be the highlights of any show.

EDIT: If you can name any other aircraft more suited to the appellation "legend" than the Spitfire (though I am aware that much of the lore surrounding this aircraft is due to "hype" and erroneous beliefs), please name it; I know I can't (at least in the UK...)


No, no, I didn't say *I* found it boring, but many on here do (bemusingly). I would love to see reactions from people saying "give me La Ferte anyday" when they are presented with a 12 minute segment of Motor Gliders bimbling about to the Jurassic Park theme rather than the Spitfire sequence. I love Legends, and I love La Ferte, but both are their own seperate entities and have their own unique points of enjoyment.

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HuwJHopkins wrote:
phreakf4 wrote:
HuwJHopkins wrote:...I say scrap the typical Legends Spitfire opening sequence that people often moan is boring.....


Once again an illustration of the massive gulf between the few enthusiasts to be mostly found taking up the majority of the front row at the crowdline and the rest of the audience. Suggest to the average "family audience" that a tailchase/sequence involving a fair number of Spitfires is "boring" and you would be met with total incomprehension at best and the assumption that you are some sort of deviant at worst.

If that sequence really does bore you I suggest that you turn round at look at the rest of the audience. You will find that the vast majority are totally enthralled. It is only the "enthusiasts" who find such displays less than amazing....The same applies to (especially) the Breitling Wingwalkers display, commonly slated on here as "boring filler", yet whenever I have been accompanied to shows by non-enthusiasts (usually family members or people I know through work or motorsport who come along "just to see what it's about") they consider these two items plus the Red Arrows and the BBMF to be the highlights of any show.

EDIT: If you can name any other aircraft more suited to the appellation "legend" than the Spitfire (though I am aware that much of the lore surrounding this aircraft is due to "hype" and erroneous beliefs), please name it; I know I can't (at least in the UK...)


No, no, I didn't say *I* found it boring, but many on here do (bemusingly). I would love to see reactions from people saying "give me La Ferte anyday" when they are presented with a 12 minute segment of Motor Gliders bimbling about to the Jurassic Park theme rather than the Spitfire sequence. I love Legends, and I love La Ferte, but both are their own seperate entities and have their own unique points of enjoyment.


Having been to La Ferte Alais several times I know what to expect. Whilst I admit that like Legends LFA has repeat attendees they also get very good unusual acts. Anybody that saw the P47 display two years ago cannot argue that it was so much better than its Legends appearance.
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Huw, apologies. My remarks were not directed at you but at those who do find the Spitfire tailchase (or indeed any air show display) "boring".

My only "objection" to such tail chases is that it is very difficult (perhaps impossible) to adequately capture them on camera in such a way as to do justice to the atmosphere of the event. Video goes some way toward that, but it is still the case that when that display starts I usually just put down the camera/camcorder and enjoy watching....That even applies to such as the Turbulent team or the wing walkers....or gliders/motorgliders. The last of those can not (in my opinion) be properly appreciated whist looking through a viewfinder, especially if wingtip smoke generators are used, unless one only shoots at fairly short focal lengths, say 50 to 100 mm. in 35mm format.
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There are a lot of points here that make for some interesting reading. I'll weigh in with my points (and risk the proverbial hailstorm that comes with posting on this site!).

There is a difficulty for organisers of airshows that there is a very varied audience to cater for and finding the balance that pleases all must be a very difficult job. You have the enthusiasts, the casual airshower, the die-hards, the family, the passing interest, the day-outers, the "future pilot" children to name but a few....

The point has been made that items that enthusiasts find "common place" such as wing-walkers, BBMF, Red Arrows and the hundred other display teams of yaks, pitts etc. are actually crowd-pullers and favourite items of the family, casual airshowers amongst others.

One thing that airshows could benefit from IMHO is more creative direction. It would take the "same old" but use it in different ways to keep it fresh and interesting. It also seems to excite all parts of the crowd when something 'different' happens even with the same aircraft. It doesn't even need to be that spectacular or something that takes a lot of prep...for example an 'unusual' formation or combination of aircraft.

I don't envy airshow organisers as the spectrum of desires from airshow goers is huge - but I personally think there is an opportunity for more creativity :smile: I could go into more detail but I think I've illustrated the basics of my point (it has been pointed out on another thread an example of the two Lanc's last year sometimes not getting as much display time where other acts could have had less or been cut which is another opportunity from the same point)

In the end I'm glad it's not my job and I enjoy an airshow for being an airshow :smile: like all hobbies there are good ones, bad ones, ones that live in the memory and some I quickly forget.
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People just assume that they only have the same aircraf each year, who's to say other's are invited but they may decline.
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Planes are being restored or built from scratch like the mosquito all the time so there is always somthing new to see
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craig.mason wrote:Planes are being restored or built from scratch like the mosquito all the time so there is always somthing new to see

Nearly got me, you tease! :whistle:

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http://www.otsnews.co.uk/mosquito-for-2015-air-shows/
After great success of the Canadian Avro Lancaster’s visit to this year Air Show, OTS News.co.uk understands that plans are underway to bring a De Havilland Mosquito over to the UK for the 2015 flying season.
If this happens, the event will be like this year’s based with the RAF's Battle of Britain flight, and join the flight as they attend air shows.

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That newspaper report is from last year and doesn't even mention who's Mosquito it is. Wishful thinking on the part of the newspaper.

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Seems very quiet on the flying legends update front anybody know of anything that's going that's not been posted on there website i keep checking it
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craig.mason wrote:Seems very quiet on the flying legends update front anybody know of anything that's going that's not been posted on there website i keep checking it
https://www.flyinglegends.com/aircrafts.html

It always is quiet Craig, patience is a virtue with Legends....
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