Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby aknott68 on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 10:26 am

As someone who's been to the Farnborough air show in the past on the public days, and enjoyed the fact that the "warbirds" section of the display was added as a value add for those who attended the event, I've had a look at the schedule of flying this weekend and I have to say it looks as though it has completely lost the plot as to wat it is meant to be about. There seems to be more focus on the warbirds than on the aircraft who are meant to be there demonstrating their wares?

Typhoon/F-18/Apache OK they're not warbirds and they are still actively looking to get new markets so I can understand why they're displaying - F35 of course is the main new topic - but where's the rest? If the event is going to get to the point whereby the displays of the new aircraft are only done during the trade days, then what is it ithat is the unique selling point of the airshow in the public days. Of course you can go and see the new planes static on the ground, but not really what I remember Farnborough to be about - or am I just looking back with rose tinted glasses?
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Postby iainpeden on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 10:30 am

Afraid it's the rose tinted specs! I was thinking back to RAF display a/c in the 1980s:Lightning, Phantom, Harrier, Jaguar, Buccaneer, Tornado GR1 and F2/3, Nimrod, Hercules, Vulcan, Sea Harrier and sometimes a Victor. Now we are down to the Typhoon and maybe, the Lightning II.

There are simply not the aircraft about that there were.
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Postby Dan O'Hagan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 10:52 am

Of course the variety isn't there any more, but there's no denying Farnborough is extremely lazy, especially on the public days, booking a lineup which would be average at some seaside freebie shows.

Charging the prices they are, for what they offer is a scandal, and is complacency born out of the fact that they know they'll attract London families regardless of what's in the programme because it'll be their only show of the year/two years.
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Postby Tim N on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 11:05 am

FIA flying displays in recent years have been like the post Shoreham shows we are currently enduring.........high and distant.
Add to the mix that it's overcrowded with ridiculous parking arrangements and its a non starter for me.
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Postby Adie1980 on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 11:05 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote:Of course the variety isn't there any more, but there's no denying Farnborough is extremely lazy, especially on the public days, booking a lineup which would be average at some seaside freebie shows.

Charging the prices they are, for what they offer is a scandal, and is complacency born out of the fact that they know they'll attract London families regardless of what's in the programme because it'll be their only show of the year/two years.


It's been like this for a while, but with this year's line up I'm hoping it'll be the last time they get away with it...
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Postby Stagger2 on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 11:08 am

iainpeden wrote:Afraid it's the rose tinted specs! I was thinking back to RAF display a/c in the 1980s:Lightning, Phantom, Harrier, Jaguar, Buccaneer, Tornado GR1 and F2/3, Nimrod, Hercules, Vulcan, Sea Harrier and sometimes a Victor. Now we are down to the Typhoon and maybe, the Lightning II.

There are simply not the aircraft about that there were.


Absolutely spot-on with that...& the preceding 30 years! The aircraft manufacturing & associated industry has all but disappeared in the UK now. Everything now is tightly cost-driven to the point of squeaking! Forget those halcyon days of returning from Farnborough with bags of goodies & perhaps a freebie 'resin' ( oh!... that hadn't been invented!) model.
The great un-washed public don't get to access the Trade-halls during their visit & as there is zero prospect of them ordering any new aircraft, they're gone by then too! Surely the General Public will wake-up & smell the coffee this year when the RAFAT land after 2 passes? Only then (maybe ?) will these biannual mega-mugging days cease!
Simplest way to reduce risk to the local populace is to reduce the event by two /three days?
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Re: Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 11:18 am

Enthusiasts appear of low importance to FIA, hence why the content gets thinner every two years. Charging the best part of £50 for what's on offer this year, especially with the new restrictions, is quite obscene.

The poll on this forum said less than 10% of members who'd voted planned to attend the public days. Had that poll been run ten years ago, I'd wager it would have been nearer 50% or more. Farnborough's name with the enthusiast is mud, but they'll keep on milking the public teat for a while longer.
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Postby Dragon Rapide on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 11:23 am

No your specs are NOT rose tinted. That was the reality. The older days were better and hugely diverse and apart from some early IATS and the odd Mildenhall, Farnboroughs were unforgettable. But the aviation world has changed almost out of recognition so we should not be surprised. But the organisers' attitude to the Public Days is arrogantly cavalier and needs to be addressed next time - if there IS a next time!!
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Re: Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby aknott68 on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 11:25 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote:Enthusiasts appear of low importance to FIA, hence why the content gets thinner every two years. Charging the best part of £50 for what's on offer this year, especially with the new restrictions, is quite obscene.

The poll on this forum said less than 10% of members who'd voted planned to attend the public days. Had that poll been run ten years ago, I'd wager it would have been nearer 50% or more. Farnborough's name with the enthusiast is mud, but they'll keep on milking the public teat for a while longer.


Thanks Dan, its not that I want to denigrate the airshow per se, but in terms of value for money I'm really struggling to see what would attract me to go. Yes I know we've been losing aircraft over the years, and we won't have the breadth in terms of the British service that we once had, but where's the display of the Gripen E on the public days, the L159 NG (I know its not a new aircraft but they're trying to sell it, where's the display of the KC390?

I would be much happier if the cost of the ticket was around the 20-25 quid mark like Cosford, then I could completely see the point in going down there - but close to £50 is obscene.
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Re: Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby Rampvan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 6:30 pm

I returned today wet, but did have a bag full of gizits :-) and i will have another bag full tomorrow :-) and the next and the next and the next :tongue:
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Postby Steve Thomson on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 6:32 pm

I bet the weather was and still is better in September.
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Postby Dan O'Hagan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 6:46 pm

Rampvan wrote:I returned today wet, but did have a bag full of gizits :-) and i will have another bag full tomorrow :-) and the next and the next and the next :tongue:


Because a couple of biros and a keyring excuse a terrible, terrible airshow?
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Postby cg_341 on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 6:49 pm

At a trade show? A few gizzits are always welcome.

I wonder if Richard Branson turned up this morning and went "well this is rubbish, the Swedish Historic Flight, the Vulcan, and the RAF Typhoon aren't displaying. Sod it, I won't buy 12 A350s here!"

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Postby Rampvan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 6:55 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:
Rampvan wrote:I returned today wet, but did have a bag full of gizits :-) and i will have another bag full tomorrow :-) and the next and the next and the next :tongue:


Because a couple of biros and a keyring excuse a terrible, terrible airshow?


Was only replying to an earlier post mate! and it was a bit more than Biros and a keyring!! get off your horse!! why do you have such a downer on RIAT and Farnborough? are you holding a grudge against one or both of these shows, I know you weren't invited back to RIAT to commentate but what has Farnborough done to deserve your wrath?
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Postby Dan O'Hagan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 7:01 pm

I've been back to RIAT since, and would have attended this year had I not other plans.

Farnborough is a poor airshow which charges far too much, for far too little.

Don't you go for free, anyway?
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Postby farnboroughrob on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 7:43 pm

Apart from today(at RIAT) I have been at Farnborough for the last week and seen every display practice/validation. The 727 is good, as is the F-35 and F-18. I'm afraid the warbird displays were cringe worthy. The Spitfire display consisted of passes at 500ftish followed by a climbing turn and repeat three times. The Lockheed Electra had the turning circle of a B-52! From a point of view of attending at the weekend do not bother.

However that is not Farnborough is about for me. We have some interesting aircraft in the static (Mi-8,HC-27, 747-8, Swedish ATR, An-0124, An-174,KC-390 etc) that we may never clap eyes on again. There must have been over 200 different bizjets in last week too, and quite a few news ones today. For a reg spotter it has been a real fest. Thankfully the Pegasus enclosure ,provided free of charge by the airshow, has also allowed some good photos. Over all I'm satisfied with this year, its not outstanding but not a dismal failure either.

However I feel that 2016 could be the final public display, going all trade mon-Thursday. It will happen one show!
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Postby Rampvan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 8:54 pm

and now we have C130J 99-1431 which arrived at 21.15 tonight.
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Postby effects on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 8:54 pm

So, Tuesday's show is 2hrs 35mins long,
1 mixed mil flyby
2 mil transport
4 fast jets
1 adv jet trainer
1 mpa
1 mil trainer
2 mil helos
2 new airliners
2 current airliners
2 commuter types
1 old airliner- which has a very current role.
I think there would be quite a few places happy with that line up.
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Re: Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby Rampvan on Mon 11 Jul 2016, 8:59 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:I've been back to RIAT since, and would have attended this year had I not other plans.

Farnborough is a poor airshow which charges far too much, for far too little.

Don't you go for free, anyway?


I don't need to go into see the show, I'm local, however, I have paid in the past to go on trade days just because there is more to an airshow than just the flying, especially Farnborough. the last few shows I have worked there so havn't had to pay as you say, to get in. If I wasnt working I would go though...but only on a trade day !
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Postby aknott68 on Tue 12 Jul 2016, 8:22 am

effects wrote:So, Tuesday's show is 2hrs 35mins long,
1 mixed mil flyby
2 mil transport
4 fast jets
1 adv jet trainer
1 mpa
1 mil trainer
2 mil helos
2 new airliners
2 current airliners
2 commuter types
1 old airliner- which has a very current role.
I think there would be quite a few places happy with that line up.


So my point was in particular related to the public days rather than the trade days as I've never been to Farnborough on the trade days - is it possible for someomne who isn't in the aviation business to get tickets to trade days easily? I appreciate that's the focus of the event, but they did try and keep some of those interesting displays to share with the public later in the week, if those days are well gone then 0erhaps I need to see how to get into a trade day, any advice would be welcome

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Re: Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby Rampvan on Tue 12 Jul 2016, 8:47 am

Never had a problem getting trade tickets ! Just need to apply for one through the appropriate form on the website
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Postby aknott68 on Tue 12 Jul 2016, 9:33 am

Rampvan wrote:Never had a problem getting trade tickets ! Just need to apply for one through the appropriate form on the website

thanks Rampvan, I'll have to have a look next time the airshow comes around ;0)
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Postby parsley on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 4:42 am

aknott68 wrote:
Rampvan wrote:Never had a problem getting trade tickets ! Just need to apply for one through the appropriate form on the website

thanks Rampvan, I'll have to have a look next time the airshow comes around ;0)


And of course what normally happens is that some of the static display aircraft are gone by the time the public days start
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Re: Farnborough - a shadow of its former self?

Postby Rampvan on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 7:37 am

parsley wrote:
aknott68 wrote:
Rampvan wrote:Never had a problem getting trade tickets ! Just need to apply for one through the appropriate form on the website

thanks Rampvan, I'll have to have a look next time the airshow comes around ;0)


And of course what normally happens is that some of the static display aircraft are gone by the time the public days start


Hence the reason we are talking about trade day tickets :whistle:
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Postby tankbuster on Wed 13 Jul 2016, 8:37 am

To be honest, I think trade day tickets may be a bit disappointing to some enthusiasts:

Good for the spotters who just want the numbers
Best flying views bar none
No crowds and relatively easy access
Easy access to the fence
Even a free seat in the grandstand
A bit cheaper

But

Flying is very limited and in between great views of the heavies many of the others get lost in the Farnborough skies
Flying display very short and to add insult, the first half an hour is a few hand held drones
Static is diabolically laid out and tight and completely useless for viewing and pictures
Just getting around the static is a nightmare with the fencing arrangement
The halls are of no interest to the average bod, they are mainly component and auxiliary manufacturers.
The big show manufacturers are all in private halls with no access. In the Halcyon days talked about they were in the main halls
Visiting aircraft less than on a normal day and yesterday I was surprised at the death of helicopter traffic which used to be non stop.
No shopping and limited food
Can't take families
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