Fri 29 May 2015, 12:09 pm
Mon 01 Jun 2015, 8:31 pm
Mon 01 Jun 2015, 9:02 pm
Mon 01 Jun 2015, 9:30 pm
TouchDown wrote:The P & V is/was a real problem area for Waddington.
We initially put the PAVE (Park and View Enclosure) in place to try and get people off the A15 and away from the undershoot. There was a small fee but the aim of that was to keep people in the area once they had entered, we did not want people parking in the PAVE and the walking into the undershoot. The problem then comes when you have to validate display assets as the rules say this cannot be done in front of the public. The whole idea of validating is to ensure they are safe for the public - defeats the object if the validation is done in front of the public. We wrote a safety case (24 pages if you are having difficulty sleeping - before anyone asks the document is not for general release) to show we were using a pragmatic apporach to the problem with the aim to make it as safe as possible for the public. However the MAA disagreed with this approach as their veiw was still the public should not be present during validations, so seeing it as a means of getting additional funding for the MAA will probably not work. Had there been a Waddington 2015 show the PAVE would one again have been a problem area. It's a difficult call in these days of the internet when keeping aircraft movment details to a very limited distribution is just about impossible, how do you validate a display without the public being present and ensure that people who do turn up are safe (Waddington closes the WAVE for the safety reason as it is on the 450m line)? It may happen one day a display assets pitches up but cannot be validated as the public keep arriving to see the event and so the aircraft becomes an addition to the static display line!
Mon 01 Jun 2015, 9:48 pm
aircraft practising airshow routines
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 6:35 am
10. ►Validation of Display Items. Validation of display items, when required, should be carried out by the FDD with the assistance of the FCC, and should not take place during the Flying Display or Special Event.◄
Where the event is open to the general public, paying or not, or the event is advertised with an expectation that the public will gather to witness the event, it will be considered a Flying Display11. Where any doubt exists in categorization, the MAA may be consulted for advice
Flying events not open to the general public, but which are attended by dependants or specifically invited personnel, will normally be categorized as Special Events. For example; Families Days, Ship Displays and minor events for Service publicity and recruiting, such as helicopter visits to schools, Military Ceremonial Events and civil events not regulated by the ANO. ►In such cases◄, the HoE and/or the participants’ Aviation Duty Holder or AM(MF) must stipulate the applicability of the display regulations, ►including any requirement for display executives and a FCC,◄ and the safety criteria to be used for such events. If it is predicted that the general public will gather, as aviation enthusiasts, in off-site viewing areas, the EO will include such gatherings in his risk assessment.
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 9:20 am
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 9:29 am
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 11:15 am
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 6:06 pm
Isn't it better that people are in a field away from traffic
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 8:33 pm
A combination of Clauses 10 and 20 are the main issue... I believe last year the team at DBH validated as many foreign acts as possible at other events abroad to help limit the impact.
Tue 02 Jun 2015, 9:48 pm
What's the difference between this, and going and standing under the display line for a BBMF/Typhoon rehearsal at Coningsby? (i.e. why is one seen in a completely different way to the other?)
Thu 04 Jun 2015, 6:33 pm