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Postby Wes_Howes on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 1:18 pm

austinp wrote:By 10.30am, I was trying to find a spot to setup shop for the display. It was busy, and rather disappointingly, shelters/tents and windbreaks were present. With space at a premium, I think this stuff should be banned

Yes, I definitely agree with this. An example I saw was, just to the right of the Cosford Club a group had set up two event shelters, both over 6 foot tall and taking even more space on the ground. All that was underneath were rucksacks :mad: Cosford uses a good system to keep the parking areas and viewing areas seperate, this should also be used to keep tents, windbreaks and other shelters away from the crowdline.
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Postby DerekF on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 1:29 pm

I have to say that I was quite glad of the windbreak that one family had setup. I sat behind it and they watched the display mostly sitting down, giving me a clear view. Because of the direction of the wind, it was also useful as an actual windbreak as well. For me if not for them.
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Postby not_the_dj on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 1:57 pm

austinp wrote:The stalls selling diecast and model kits seems to get less and less each year at airshows, instead being replaced by others that I wouldn't expect at an airshow. Is the market for diecast and model kits dead???


I noticed that as well, not sure how many people came away with garden ornaments, some new alloys for their car and bargain perfume from the annoying chap with the microphone.
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Postby AFKAMC on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 2:35 pm

not_the_dj wrote:
austinp wrote:The stalls selling diecast and model kits seems to get less and less each year at airshows, instead being replaced by others that I wouldn't expect at an airshow. Is the market for diecast and model kits dead???


I noticed that as well, not sure how many people came away with garden ornaments, some new alloys for their car and bargain perfume from the annoying chap with the microphone.


There seemed to be about 3 or 4 model kit stalls, which I thought was about the usual number? The number of book stalls seemed down on previous years, though; I only counted one that was exclusively for books.

Entry to and exit from the base were excellent, the smoothest and quickest I've ever known. Admittedly I got there early and left late to avoid the worst of the traffic, but even so I was impressed.
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Postby speedbird2639 on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 2:40 pm

By 10.30am, I was trying to find a spot to setup shop for the display. It was busy, and rather disappointingly, shelters/tents and windbreaks were present.


When I came onto the base just after 8.30 there was already a row of chairs reserving places for the majority of the crowdline either side of the Cosford Club; to arrive at 10.30am expecting a place at the front is naive at best. When I was last at Cosford 2 years ago you could barely see a blade of grass in the 'lawn' areas of the crowd as it was so packed - thankfully they have moved the car park away from the crowdline and so it was much more comfortable.

Regarding the perennial tents/ windbreaks argument I think the best solution would be to do what RIAT does and have a 10m line which anyone wishing to make use of a tent or windbreak has to remain behind, leaving the crowdline unobstructed. Enforcing a blanket ban would be impossible as there simply wouldn't be the personnel to go round to every person with a tent and to stand there making sure they packed it away. I believe the two biggish tents to the right of the Cosford Club were the RAF Air Cadets - I'm fairly sure the organisers of the RAF's only air show are not going to tell the RAF Air cadets that they can't have their shelter up at the air show especially as it was several metres back from the crowdline. I would guess that with todays safeguarding rules they are obliged to provide a shelter and obvious meeting point. As Derek said the windbreaks were not only of benefit to those using them but those sheltering in the leeward side out of the wind.
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Postby lappup on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 4:43 pm

I'll start by saying I enjoyed the show this year, well done to the team. I was lucky enough to be in the Cosford Club enclosure this year which is a great uncrowded experience. Only problem was that someone decided to park a Puma right in front of us which meant that we couldn't see the majority of the pyros to the full effect and blocked the view of the runway. There was a huge 'press area' inside the enclosure to which a mass contingent of 10 photographers sat - was that size an area really necessary??
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Postby Lucasjmet15 on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 8:18 pm

What an amazing show it was on Sunday. Loved every single minute of it, the flying display was superb and the static displays were brilliant. Cannot wait for next year already. My only criticism would be the commentary team and its been covered a lot already on this forum so I'm not going to go over it again.

Hoping for a 2 days show next year ??

Roll on Cosford 2018 !

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Postby Jonnym on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 9:12 pm

lappup wrote:I'll start by saying I enjoyed the show this year, well done to the team. I was lucky enough to be in the Cosford Club enclosure this year which is a great uncrowded experience. Only problem was that someone decided to park a Puma right in front of us which meant that we couldn't see the majority of the pyros to the full effect and blocked the view of the runway. There was a huge 'press area' inside the enclosure to which a mass contingent of 10 photographers sat - was that size an area really necessary??


Yes, the crowdline parking was frustrating... i missed pretty much all the apache ground pyros because the wingwalkers rocked up and slat their planes in my face. :dizzy:
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Postby patrouille2001 on Wed 14 Jun 2017, 10:27 pm

Really enjoyed the day and this was my 25th Cosford Air Show, Was there any explanation for the no shows such as the 32 Squadron Royal flight 146 in static and the Westland Search and Rescue Helicopter in the flying display ?

Cheers :roll:
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Postby CJS on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 6:07 am

What, you mean the big yellow thing that everyone has taken photos of - the one that was in the flying display? :-P
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Postby scottspencer on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 6:35 am

Hes on about the AW189 that was announced and in the flying timetable. New HM Coastguard Helicopter
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Postby patrouille2001 on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 7:16 am

scottspencer wrote:Hes on about the AW189 that was announced and in the flying timetable. New HM Coastguard Helicopter
Thats the one lol
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Postby scottspencer on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 7:20 am

Not the one that was in the flying display Lol
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Postby The Baron on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 8:13 am

CJS wrote:What, you mean the big yellow thing that everyone has taken photos of - the one that was in the flying display? :-P


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Postby PirateTrickster on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:28 am

Red Tail Mustang (off to North Weald on Thursday to shoot that again) too.


==> North Weald is fairly local to me, is there an event happening today? I do keep meaning to pop over and take some photos - would love some of the Gnats.


I love the crowd rear approach, but I cannot stand this 'one thousand feet wide formation.' I think (and it's only my view) that the opening formation should be nice and tight, arrow shaped and with all the air brakes and smoke hanging out.

Is anyone actually able to get all of that opening formation into the lens of their camera to make a usable picture.


==> as has already been mentioned, they probably can't fly that closely together over a crowd. As to whether you can fit them into a picture - at Shuttleworth last year I just managed it, at Cosford this year I lost one off the side.


I nearly missed the camo Tornado


==> Clearly I did miss it :facepalm:


Is the market for diecast and model kits dead


==> I got a bargain towards the end of the day - 2 Airfix kits (1:72 and 1:48 of a Lightning and Mustang) for £10 :smile:


Cosford 2018? Depends on the line-up


It's the RAF's 100th birthday, I'm quite optimistic about next years line-up.
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Postby austinp on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 11:28 am

speedbird2639 wrote:
When I came onto the base just after 8.30 there was already a row of chairs reserving places for the majority of the crowdline either side of the Cosford Club; to arrive at 10.30am expecting a place at the front is naive at best. When I was last at Cosford 2 years ago you could barely see a blade of grass in the 'lawn' areas of the crowd as it was so packed - thankfully they have moved the car park away from the crowdline and so it was much more comfortable.

Regarding the perennial tents/ windbreaks argument I think the best solution would be to do what RIAT does and have a 10m line which anyone wishing to make use of a tent or windbreak has to remain behind, leaving the crowdline unobstructed...



Hi :-)

I wasn't expecting a front row seat, in fact I was pretty surprised to find one at all. Yup, I was there two years ago, and the crowdline was packed; so pleased they moved the cars back.

I wholeheartedly agree on copying RIAT regarding the tent/windbreak line, obviously RIAT have more space to play with, but it could work.

Cheers.
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Postby Pringles on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 12:45 pm

PirateTrickster wrote:
I nearly missed the camo Tornado


==> Clearly I did miss it :facepalm:

If it's the one I'm thinking of, you didn't miss that much. It was parked at an edge with a background of a skip and a motor-home of some sort, and the aircraft itself had bits of tape etc on various panels.

patrouille2001 wrote:Really enjoyed the day and this was my 25th Cosford Air Show, Was there any explanation for the no shows such as the 32 Squadron Royal flight 146 in static and the Westland Search and Rescue Helicopter in the flying display ?

Believe I saw on Twitter on the Saturday that the '146 had been removed from the lineup due to operational commitments. Nothing has been said of the AW189, which vanished without a trace from the flying display - it had been penciled in to display and also fly a "then-and-now" formation with the Whirlwind, which was if I recall branded as one of the highlights in the pre-show build-up. If the aircraft was retasked due to operational requirements then fair enough, however that absolutely no mention was made over the commentary to announce this is poor form - particularly when other cancellations such as the Hurricane were mentioned.
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Postby Wrexham Mackem on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 12:49 pm

The Puma in front of Cosford Club has me in two minds... I don't know whether to moan or not! Aircraft operating in front of the audience has long been part of the Cosford show, and the opportunity to see and photograph things up close is very welcome. It barely happened last year - for one reason or another there was very little operating along the crowdline - and it was to the detriment of the show which didn't feel like Cosford. I am grateful to have seen the Puma in particular up close, and get some ace shots. And I could forgive just about anything but blocking out the Apache 'fire' photo, which still evades me! maybe parking it head on rather than broadside would have helped.

Cosford Club is great, for a little bit more you get far superior facilities and plenty of space, although it isn't immune from that old airshow staple of getting there crack of sparrows to get a good spec on the crowdline and somebody with a great sense of self-entitlement has a lie in and rocks up in the middle of the day to stroll right up to the rope and plonk themselves in front of you. Its just human nature I spose.

The commentary: well, I don't get why so many of you object in such affronted tone. It was laid back, relaxed and light hearted, in fitting with the family day out Cosford is. It wasn't factually inaccurate at all and I quite enjoyed it. Jonathon Ruffle made me smile. I clearly don't take commentary to heart as some of you do. The only issue is the one as old as Cosford itself. No matter how many times the commentator is changed they will complain that they can't see what's going on. Surely its easy to run comms from the tower to a commentary point on the crowd line? anyway, its not a big deal.

The show itself was very good. Unfortunate Reds situation aside it was a very good airshow, with the B-52 pulling onto the display axis as the B-17 moved to one side to become, I expect, one of the season's moments come the end of the year. It had something for everyone, a bit of everything. I did sense a few modified lines out there, without pointing to anything in particular, but it has to be said the silliness around the reds display weakened the show, it would be daft to claim otherwise. My family discussed it much of the way home. I hope that the rule makers and display teams can find a common sense compromise between risk and spectacle. Otherwise, its all a waste of time and money, because the reds display on Sunday was too distant to have any impact on the audience at all. Which as an airshow fan, and an aerobatic team fan, is heartbreaking.

All in all, well done Peter and the team :clap:

See you next year.
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Postby Wrexham Mackem on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 12:52 pm

Pringles wrote:Nothing has been said of the AW189, which vanished without a trace from the flying display - it had been penciled in to display and also fly a "then-and-now" formation with the Whirlwind, which was if I recall branded as one of the highlights in the pre-show build-up. If the aircraft was retasked due to operational requirements then fair enough, however that absolutely no mention was made over the commentary to announce this is poor form - particularly when other cancellations such as the Hurricane were mentioned.


I agree. Although I don't think its listed in the printed programme which would be why it wasn't mentioned by commentary. It must've pulled out some time before. I was looking forward to seeing it, although it was Monday before I realised it was missing! :grin:
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Postby Pringles on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 12:58 pm

Wrexham Mackem wrote:
Pringles wrote:Nothing has been said of the AW189, which vanished without a trace from the flying display - it had been penciled in to display and also fly a "then-and-now" formation with the Whirlwind, which was if I recall branded as one of the highlights in the pre-show build-up. If the aircraft was retasked due to operational requirements then fair enough, however that absolutely no mention was made over the commentary to announce this is poor form - particularly when other cancellations such as the Hurricane were mentioned.


I agree. Although I don't think its listed in the printed programme which would be why it wasn't mentioned by commentary. It must've pulled out some time before. I was looking forward to seeing it, although it was Monday before I realised it was missing! :grin:

I don't have the programme to hand, but it is definitely featured in the flying schedule, towards the latter half of the flying display? 4 o'clock-ish?
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Postby DerekF on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:01 pm

The AW189 is in the programme at 1640. I have to say that I paid little attention to the printed list as it was clear from the beginning it wasn't accurate.
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Postby Wrexham Mackem on Thu 15 Jun 2017, 1:06 pm

Ah righto. Sorry, I got that wrong. Well, in that case, it should have been mentioned on the PA then.

Presume it got a shout, so the Coast Guard deserve some credit over the PA, for the intention to bring it along even if they couldn't for that most obvious of reasons.
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Postby spellow3010 on Fri 16 Jun 2017, 9:19 am

capercaillie wrote:Not sure how much people look around and keep their eyes peeled at airshows? I can appreciate a small area close to where the Cosford Club tent is positioned would have their view obscured, but the B-52 was circling for a few minutes to the northwest of the airfield before it commenced its long curving smoky run in during Sally B's display. They're not the most unsubtle of things in the sky when approaching! :dunno:



It's a good shout that one and if I were on my own, I would probably have spotted it. But I was with my daughter back at the car (after the B-1, we retreated from the rain and the crowd line for a short while) and enjoying the B-17 whilst explaining to her how important that aeroplane was... You know, the 'daddy knows all about aircraft' routine!! :joystick:

I couldn't really see the hold and with attention on the B-17 being so focussed, all of a sudden, this great big mass of heavy metal lummoxed in from the right... An epic surprise, even though we knew the B-52 would be around. When it arrived, it was a gasp making entrance. For me, the airshow moment of the year so far... :up:
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Postby Lucasjmet15 on Sat 17 Jun 2017, 3:08 pm

Maybe reading into it too much but just looked through the programme again and seen the F35 on the poster for next years show !

Fingers crossed ! :drool:
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Postby borismorris on Sat 17 Jun 2017, 6:19 pm

Lucasjmet15 wrote:Maybe reading into it too much but just looked through the programme again and seen the F35 on the poster for next years show !

Fingers crossed ! :drool:


The commentator fellow was really hammering home the RAF anniversary too, which I took as being a hint that the RAF would be supporting their own show next year... (ok-supporting it more).

I still think theres Harriers and Jaguars on that base which could be serviced and permitted to fly again - even if for just one summer. :s
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