RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby G-CVIX on Fri 19 May 2017, 7:44 pm

daveseth wrote:
CJS wrote:40 Hercules in a row!? Wow! That sounds...well actually slightly boring... ;-) :-D


it was a looooooooong walk...


In 81(?) They had AC-130 "First Lady" (the first production C-130) at the top of the line from what I've​ read. I wasn't born for another decade. :(
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Airshowhammer on Fri 19 May 2017, 11:16 pm

I really think the flying is missing that stand out item.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Luke28 on Sat 20 May 2017, 5:51 am

What? The F-22 is easily one of the stand out items of any European Air Show so far, don't let the fact it came last year cloud that.

Couteau Delta UK debut.

C-27 is as good as anything.

We are spoiled with RIAT each year.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 20 May 2017, 6:21 am

Airshowhammer wrote:I really think the flying is missing that stand out item.

Yep....we really need another stand-out display by the Scan Eagle or the 'Wings Of Blue' :biggrin:
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby G-CVIX on Sat 20 May 2017, 6:22 am

We are spoilt yes but I too think that we are missing that one item that takes it above and beyond. Either flying or static. That's not to say that everything we have is anything less than top quality, and the best you're likely to find in this country/Europe.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby alpha586 on Sat 20 May 2017, 6:43 am

G-CVIX wrote:
daveseth wrote:
CJS wrote:40 Hercules in a row!? Wow! That sounds...well actually slightly boring... ;-) :-D


it was a looooooooong walk...


In 81(?) They had AC-130 "First Lady" (the first production C-130) at the top of the line from what I've​ read. I wasn't born for another decade. :(


She was also present in '94 along with snoopy and as has been mentioned above lots lots more! It was great to see so many different hercs lined up and I can promise you it was far from 'boring'. There was a similar line up for sky tanker in 95 IIRC with loads of kc135s. Unfortunately due to shrinking air forces and shrinking budgets these sorts of line ups seem to be confined to the history books forever.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby CJS on Sat 20 May 2017, 6:46 am

G-CVIX wrote:We are spoilt yes but I too think that we are missing that one item that takes it above and beyond. Either flying or static. That's not to say that everything we have is anything less than top quality, and the best you're likely to find in this country/Europe/the world.


Fixed that for you :up:

Airshowhammer wrote:I really think the flying is missing that stand out item.


A return of the Eurocopter role demo perhaps? :tumbleweed:

I mean seriously, what would you suggest? The F-22 is arguably (by a lot of people) the best fast jet display on the planet, the RSV C-27 display is the best (semi)heavy display you will ever see, which other show has the A-400m flying display this year (Paris?), there are already (with months to go) static aircraft as rare as hen's teeth (F-4, B-1b, RAAF Wedgetail...). Heck, even the Thunderbirds, which do a pretty good job of dividing opinion, can hardly be called anything other than a 'stand out' item due to their rarity.

What, actually what, would be a stand out item for you (that's actually plausible) that would genuinely trump that lot?

With the possible exception of MAKS (but then consider what RIAT has that MAKS will never have), nothing I can think of comes close.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Tommy on Sat 20 May 2017, 8:53 am

CJS wrote:
G-CVIX wrote:We are spoilt yes but I too think that we are missing that one item that takes it above and beyond. Either flying or static. That's not to say that everything we have is anything less than top quality, and the best you're likely to find in this country/Europe/the world.


Fixed that for you :up:

Airshowhammer wrote:I really think the flying is missing that stand out item.




I mean seriously, what would you suggest?


Not saying I agree that anything is missing; but the Ukrainian Su-27 display & Il-76 support is probably the item that is both somewhat achievable and would have most struggling to abide by the no swearing rule. Don't want to be presumptuous, but one would imagine DBH are/have looked into its possibility. (Awesome display, too!)

Or, perhaps, Romanian MiG-21?

Re. MAKS, they do get some western stuff. IIRC, in 2011 they had a heavy US contingent, including the F-15E display. But that was the good ol' days of relatively good relations around the world...
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby tuska2 on Sat 20 May 2017, 9:19 am

Or perhaps Croatian Mig-21's ?
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby CJS on Sat 20 May 2017, 9:45 am

The Ukrainian SU-27 perhaps Tommy, good thinking, especially given its support (but then lots of support aircraft get hidden away don't they? :-P ).

But the MiG-21 over the Raptor? Really?
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby snicker on Sat 20 May 2017, 9:51 am

Well at the current operators of Russian built hardware, I would imagine there would be half chance of one or more of the following:

Polish Mig29
Slovakian Mig29
Polish Su22
Ukranian Su27
Romanian Mig21
Croatian Mig21

However, I'm still happy with whats already been announced.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby tu16 on Sat 20 May 2017, 10:20 am

This is all bordering on wish list.

Isn't the issue with the Ukrainians money? You need quite deep pockets - or have they changed their policy?

Astounded that, given the line up so far, anybody is saying it needs a stand out item.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Airshowhammer on Sat 20 May 2017, 10:29 am

I didn't state that it was low on quality or anything.
Ukrainian Flanker/ Smokey Bandits/ Mig-21/ Pakistani Mirage III/ Dare i say it? The Sea Vixen. All could fit the bill perfectly.
Its just needs something that hasn't been seen in many years or something the public hasn't seen before.
Each year theres usually a stand out.
2006: Mig OVT
2007: Nighthawk
2008: Raptor debut
2009: Rafale debut
2010: Raptor european debut as not many got to see it in 2008.
2011: Static Su-27 & Il-76
2012: Black Eagles
2013: A380/ Static F1's
2014: Polish Su-22 Duo
2015: Ramex debut/ Japanese P-1
2016: F35 European debut.

Don't get me wrong i think the flying looks fantastic, just waiting for that 'sweet jesus' moment!
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby DeanW on Sat 20 May 2017, 10:57 am

Airshowhammer wrote:Its just needs something that hasn't been seen in many years or something the public hasn't seen before.

So something like The Thunderbirds? Or Midnight Hawks? Or Couteau Delta? Or M346? Or Belgian Sea King? Or ALCA pair? Or the Wedgetail, Phenom, T-6C, G120, B-52 and B-1 on static?
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby tu16 on Sat 20 May 2017, 11:27 am

You missed the Greek F4 Dean.... oh yeah, that was here last year, so totally dull......
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby mikek on Sat 20 May 2017, 11:32 am

Airshowhammer wrote:I really think the flying is missing that stand out item.


yup. like a pair of Phantoms or a B1 :biggrin:
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby boff180 on Sat 20 May 2017, 11:57 am

Airshowhammer wrote:I didn't state that it was low on quality or anything.
Ukrainian Flanker/ Smokey Bandits/ Mig-21/ Pakistani Mirage III/ Dare i say it? The Sea Vixen. All could fit the bill perfectly.
Its just needs something that hasn't been seen in many years or something the public hasn't seen before.
Each year theres usually a stand out.
2006: Mig OVT
2007: Nighthawk
2008: Raptor debut
2009: Rafale debut
2010: Raptor european debut as not many got to see it in 2008.
2011: Static Su-27 & Il-76
2012: Black Eagles
2013: A380/ Static F1's
2014: Polish Su-22 Duo
2015: Ramex debut/ Japanese P-1
2016: F35 European debut.

Don't get me wrong i think the flying looks fantastic, just waiting for that 'sweet jesus' moment!


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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Spotty_Jag on Sat 20 May 2017, 12:08 pm

DeanW wrote:
Airshowhammer wrote:Its just needs something that hasn't been seen in many years or something the public hasn't seen before.

So something like The Thunderbirds? Or Midnight Hawks? Or Couteau Delta? Or M346? Or Belgian Sea King? Or ALCA pair? Or the Wedgetail, Phenom, T-6C, G120, B-52 and B-1 on static? :whistle:

Well that said man! :clap:
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Airshowhammer on Sat 20 May 2017, 1:18 pm

No one said it was dull. Nor did anyone say the static or flying is poor? :wall:
Couteau Delta has been said to use the same routine as Ramex and yes i'm really looking forward to it.
Not once did i mention the static display at all.
All I implied was the flying is missing that stand out item. And now somehow everyone has taken that as me taking a dig towards the show. :grin:
Its a great line up this year that could be topped by that one item that makes you look through the flying programme and keep your eye out not to miss. :roll:
Belgian Sea Kings, L159's & Midnight Hawks are great, but i wouldn't be devasted if i was to miss it. Why people are bringing up statics, only god knows.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Airwolfhound on Sat 20 May 2017, 4:50 pm

It's all down to personal opinion as to 'the stand-out' display which is currently missing.

For me, I can think of several different types of airframes that I would love to see in the flying display which are currently not listed. But in probably everybody else's point of view, what I consider to be worthy, would be seen as dull, dull and dull. Yes, I am looking forward to the F22, Thunderbirds, A400M, the new French team (can't spell them right now without looking back lol) but I would love to see an AH1 Cobra in the flying display, or the Mil Mi 24 or any form of gunship (as opposed to just the Apache). However, what will be will be, and whatever is displayed I will have a darn good time enjoying watching it :-)
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby ColeTheDemolisher on Sun 21 May 2017, 12:07 am

How about we all just enjoy what we get.... :tongue:
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby borismorris on Sun 21 May 2017, 6:58 am

ColeTheDemolisher wrote:How about we all just enjoy what we get.... :tongue:


Well thats a novel idea. :clap:

Can't believe folk are not satisfied with whats already announced. Christmas at yours must be a right barrel of laughs.. :tumbleweed: :facepalm:
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby Pringles on Sun 21 May 2017, 7:33 am

ColeTheDemolisher wrote:How about we all just enjoy what we get.... :tongue:

This is a discussion forum and review site, if we all started happy-clapping and saying everything's fantastic if it's not, no shows would improve or understand what some of us feel should be changed.

That being said, I'm quite pleased with what's been confirmed confirmed for RIAT this year, there's some excellent variety in the flying, and several gems for me that I'd consider to be "stand outs".
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby G-CVIX on Sun 21 May 2017, 8:53 am

No one said they wouldn't enjoy what we got. This is a discussion forum.

The endless chastising of others for sharing their views is really dragging this forum down.
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Re: RIAT 2017 (Discussion & Participation Thread)

Postby chill51 on Sun 21 May 2017, 10:11 am

G-CVIX wrote:No one said they wouldn't enjoy what we got. This is a discussion forum.

The endless chastising of others for sharing their views is really dragging this forum down.


This happens every year and to be honest i find it all amusing. I for one am looking forward to the show as always what ever comes. I have not missed a show since its been at Fairford and always look forward to spending several days in a field in Gloucestershire it beats being at work :smile: Oh and I'm looking forward to the Italian Tornado demo :rock:
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