RIAT 2018 discussion

Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby speedbird2639 on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 9:26 am

The Baron wrote:Believe nothing until confirmed by DBH, then remain pessimistic until the wheels hit the ground at Fairford.


And if its due to be in the flying display don't believe it until it has completed its display as plenty of acts have gone tech just before or during their display.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Wissam24 on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 11:38 am

Dream for next year is to see a Harrier in the air. Ideally a display!
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby boff180 on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 12:25 pm

edhunter wrote:I don't know who on here is a member of fightercontrol forum, but on there a member by the name of mrtt the as said that 5 air arms ( Malaysia, Japan, Singapore, Canada and U.a.e ) are down to appear at RIAT.

Further to that he has also said that USAF to send out aircraft from sqdns that used to fly 100 years ago e.g 107 fs, 1st rs, 2nd ars 9th bs etc. Apparently he has got this information from scramble.
can anyone here shed any light on this information or is this guy living in the realms of fantasy?


There are 3 types of "down to appear"..

1. Friend of a friend of a friend - baseless rumour
2. Self-confirm/viable source - very strong rumour
3. Announced by DBH - not a rumour

The Canadian information right now falls into category 1 and has even been formally debunked by the RCAF themselves. Unless sources are cited I'd class the other 4 air arms info as category 1 too.

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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby aviodromefriend on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 4:35 pm

boff180 wrote:There are 3 types of "down to appear"..

1. Friend of a friend of a friend - baseless rumour
2. Self-confirm/viable source - very strong rumour
3. Announced by DBH - not a rumour
Add type 1A: An in itself to be judged as a reliable source confirms, then a higher ranked person denies any decision to have been taken (but doesn't say it won't happen). I think that is a better description for the Canadian situation.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby boff180 on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 7:09 pm

Not really... an unknown member on here states the news came from the team (with nothing else to back that up), another site reads that and puts out a full news post, the involved air force then denies it.

That's still category 1.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby aviodromefriend on Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:46 pm

boff180 wrote:Not really... an unknown member on here states the news came from the team (with nothing else to back that up), another site reads that and puts out a full news post, the involved air force then denies it.

That's still category 1.
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There is a story being shared (link below) citing your page communicating information about the Canadian CF-18 Demonstration participating in RIAT 2018 and about the theme. The information being published is not from an official source, and it is inaccurate. While planning for the 2018 Demonstration Season is now underway, no locations are currently confirmed and theme details are not yet official. We expect to announce this information in the December time frame.
So the RCAF does not deny that the team will be at RIAT. It says that there is no decision taken, which leaves open that it wil be there in the end. If they weren't looking at sending the Hornet over to RIAT at all, I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby jalfrezi on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:09 am

aviodromefriend wrote:So the RCAF does not deny that the team will be at RIAT. It says that there is no decision taken, which leaves open that it will be there in the end, or it won't be there in the end. If they weren't looking at sending the Hornet over to RIAT at all, I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there.
Disclaimer: bold in the message from the RCAF was edited by me.


As this point it's neither confirmed or denied, your comment 'I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there' basically means nothing as you don't know and nor do I!

Fingers crossed it will be there, but these RIAT threads so often end up filled with wishlists and unfounded or tenuous rumours.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby CJS on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:54 am

Wissam24 wrote:Dream for next year is to see a Harrier in the air. Ideally a display!


That'd be good wouldn't it?! Spanish one would be the most likely (although still fairly unlikely!) I would guess?

jalfrezi wrote:
aviodromefriend wrote:So the RCAF does not deny that the team will be at RIAT. It says that there is no decision taken, which leaves open that it will be there in the end, or it won't be there in the end. If they weren't looking at sending the Hornet over to RIAT at all, I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there.
Disclaimer: bold in the message from the RCAF was edited by me.


As this point it's neither confirmed or denied, your comment 'I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there' basically means nothing as you don't know and nor do I!

Fingers crossed it will be there, but these RIAT threads so often end up filled with wishlists and unfounded or tenuous rumours.


Which is part of their charm isn't it? :grin:

All of which goes to prove that everything, from the RAFAT to the Iranian Tomcat role demo, will without question either be there or not be there come next July. Of that, we can most certainly be sure.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 11:17 am

SwAFHF routinely self-confirm that they'll be at RIAT......hence why some of us are extremely sceptical about any rumours, statements from teams, etc.
As for the arse-about logic of "They haven't said they're not coming, so they must be coming" used by some people....... :facepalm:
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby spellow3010 on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 12:00 pm

Which category did this year's double Su-27 and Tanker support from Ukraine fall into? All sort of rumour, self confirmation, secrecy and 'don't believe it until you see the smoke trails on finals' etc. the Ukranian saga was great 'will it or won't it' popcornery. :snack:
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby capercaillie on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 1:05 pm

spellow3010 wrote:Which category did this year's double Su-27 and Tanker support from Ukraine fall into? All sort of rumour, self confirmation, secrecy and 'don't believe it until you see the smoke trails on finals' etc. the Ukranian saga was great 'will it or won't it' popcornery. :snack:



Well in answer to that, the Su27s, were all of the above (as they were rumoured, seen by a reliable source from the display committee and confirmed by DBH) and the tanker was none of the above, as the Flankers didn't need one, it wasn't talked about and it never turned up. :whistle:
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Hog on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 6:28 pm

Does anyone have any views on what the USAF might send next year? Any chance of seeing a B-1 B-52 or Raptor again? Cant see them sending the Raptor 3 years on the trot. I am hoping to see an Electric Lightning on Static not sure how many there are left n one piece though. Whatever shows up it is going to be a fantastic weekend.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Big Eric on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 6:33 pm

An "Electric Lightening", what do you mean?
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Domvickery on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 7:17 pm

Big Eric wrote:An "Electric Lightening", what do you mean?


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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Hog on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 7:17 pm

The English Electric Lightning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BVsNdT0ec
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby borismorris on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 9:56 pm

Not really any need for the smart Alec trying so hard to be funny put downs is there?

We all know what Hog meant.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby HeyfordDave111 on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:12 pm

Something a little more exotic from the Ukranians rather than boring old Flankers would be sweet, and ask the Japanese to being anything but a blinking tanker again!
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby jalfrezi on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:15 pm

Hog wrote:I am hoping to see an Electric Lightening on Static not sure how many there are left n one piece though.


There are actually a surprising number of complete Lightnings still around, so it's certainly possible!

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/survivors.php
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby jayne_morris on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 11:25 pm

Hog wrote:The English Electric Lightening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BVsNdT0ec


if you like lightnings have you been to bruntingthorpe to see the ones there?
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Hog on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 12:48 am

Thanks for all the info on the thunder plane!!! Much appreciated. :claypole:
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby vulcanshammer on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 10:38 am

borismorris wrote:Not really any need for the smart Alec trying so hard to be funny put downs is there?

We all know what Hog meant.
Or is that how we welcome new members these days?


Sadly this is just standard behavior from a lot of people on here, regular posters included. Some people only post if they feel there is an opportunity to belittle or put someone in their place. Rather than seize the chance to welcome and inform someone who simply shares their passion.
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Airshowhammer on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 10:52 am

HeyfordDave111 wrote:Something a little more exotic from the Ukranians rather than boring old Flankers would be sweet, and ask the Japanese to being anything but a blinking tanker again!


Boring??? :dizzy:
Lets hope they return, which i think they will be :ninja: :wink:
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Airshowhammer on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 10:57 am

Wissam24 wrote:Dream for next year is to see a Harrier in the air. Ideally a display!


Would be sublime, Spanish Navy, Italian Navy or USMC are our only options i assume for a display?
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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby Airwolfhound on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 12:40 pm

jalfrezi wrote:
aviodromefriend wrote:So the RCAF does not deny that the team will be at RIAT. It says that there is no decision taken, which leaves open that it will be there in the end, or it won't be there in the end. If they weren't looking at sending the Hornet over to RIAT at all, I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there.
Disclaimer: bold in the message from the RCAF was edited by me.


As this point it's neither confirmed or denied, your comment 'I think they would have said that it wouldn't be there' basically means nothing as you don't know and nor do I!

Fingers crossed it will be there, but these RIAT threads so often end up filled with wishlists and unfounded or tenuous rumours.


For a moment I thought I had stumbled on the Original RIAT Nutters facebook page :wink: :lol:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24874528@N04/

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Re: RIAT 2018 discussion

Postby spellow3010 on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 3:25 pm

capercaillie wrote:
spellow3010 wrote:Which category did this year's double Su-27 and Tanker support from Ukraine fall into? All sort of rumour, self confirmation, secrecy and 'don't believe it until you see the smoke trails on finals' etc. the Ukranian saga was great 'will it or won't it' popcornery. :snack:



Well in answer to that, the Su27s, were all of the above (as they were rumoured, seen by a reliable source from the display committee and confirmed by DBH) and the tanker was none of the above, as the Flankers didn't need one, it wasn't talked about and it never turned up. :whistle:


I sense the froth as you typed all that out. Fair enough though :up:
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