RAF Tucano preservation?

RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Orion on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 10:08 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... en-454167/

Now that this has happened, are there any plans to preserve a Tucano? Excepting that is the obligatory one for the RAF Museum.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby cg_341 on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 10:19 am

There are two preserved Tucanos; ZF167 at Long Kesh and ZF202 at Linton-on-Ouse.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby toom317 on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 10:19 am

I like the bit in that link that says "all configured to meet UK needs", considering all the stuff that doesn't conform to the RAF's current equipment and needs.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby NAM Updater on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 2:00 pm

As I have stated elsewhere, at the present time there's a good deal of speculation that not many Tucano aircraft will make it into preservation; most are expected to be returned to the manufacturer.

Plus some of the airframes that went to the USA are now reselling for large numbers!
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Ouragan on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 2:19 pm

A lot of those Tucanos have low hours. Could be potential for resale to nations unable to afford brand new T-6s or PC-21s, particularly if given a glass cockpit and hardpoints?
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Binbrook 01 on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 5:51 pm

Rather depends on what the disposal service agency does. It is/was a popular airframe in the USA, and previous disposals have mostly gone across the pond.

I don't think what is left of Shorts/Bombardier would want them NAM Updater.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby farnboroughrob on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 6:17 pm

Rumor has always been that the Shorts Tucano were all hand built so there is a lack of 100% commonality across the airframes. Whether many other airforces would want these is a good question. I would be surprised to see many in preservation, just like the Harriers and GR4's. Would the CAA allow them to be operated in the uk under a permit?
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Postby NAM Updater on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 6:22 pm

Binbrook 01 wrote:Rather depends on what the disposal service agency does. It is/was a popular airframe in the USA, and previous disposals have mostly gone across the pond.

I don't think what is left of Shorts/Bombardier would want them NAM Updater.

It does indeed, but this came from an official source and my understanding is that they were perhaps talking about a return to Embraer, as opposed to Shorts/Bombardier - time will tell!
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Big Eric on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 6:37 pm

farnboroughrob wrote:Rumor has always been that the Shorts Tucano were all hand built so there is a lack of 100% commonality across the airframes. Whether many other airforces would want these is a good question. I would be surprised to see many in preservation, just like the Harriers and GR4's. Would the CAA allow them to be operated in the uk under a permit?


The RAF Tucanos were built by a load of ex. ship-builders using wooden jigs at Shorts in Belfast, the jigs contracted & expanded due to the moisture in the atmosphere (exactly like the Nimrods at Woodford), apparently none of the airframes are the exactly the same size and major components (like wings) cannot be interchanged. This is a huge part of why the Nimrod MRA4 project was cancelled.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Rick on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 7:04 pm

Big Eric wrote:
farnboroughrob wrote:Rumor has always been that the Shorts Tucano were all hand built so there is a lack of 100% commonality across the airframes. Whether many other airforces would want these is a good question. I would be surprised to see many in preservation, just like the Harriers and GR4's. Would the CAA allow them to be operated in the uk under a permit?


The RAF Tucanos were built by a load of ex. ship-builders using wooden jigs at Shorts in Belfast, the jigs contracted & expanded due to the moisture in the atmosphere (exactly like the Nimrods at Woodford), apparently none of the airframes are the exactly the same size and major components (like wings) cannot be interchanged. This is a huge part of why the Nimrod MRA4 project was cancelled.


There's the tale that went around some years ago that one RAF airframe had an extra rib in one wing to the other. Not a clue if it was true though.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby reheat module on Thu 06 Dec 2018, 7:15 pm

They were a nightmare for interchangeability when we had the first batch at Scampton.
Could even swap over some panels due to holes being in different places...
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Arthur Tee on Sat 08 Dec 2018, 4:18 pm

reheat module wrote:They were a nightmare for interchangeability when we had the first batch at Scampton.
Could even swap over some panels due to holes being in different places...

Some of the early batch had access panels drilled on BOTH sides of the fuselage. The ones not required were rivited over!

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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Roughcutter on Sat 08 Dec 2018, 5:30 pm

farnboroughrob wrote:Would the CAA allow them to be operated in the uk under a permit?


Makes me wonder if any of them could end up in private hands, after all there are privately owned JP's/Strike Masters flying about?
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Lucasjmet15 on Sat 08 Dec 2018, 11:08 pm

Roughcutter wrote:
farnboroughrob wrote:Would the CAA allow them to be operated in the uk under a permit?


Makes me wonder if any of them could end up in private hands, after all there are privately owned JP's/Strike Masters flying about?



I believe that there are already 2 ex-RAF Tucanos up for sale to via platinum fighter sales ?
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Abbo46 on Sat 08 Dec 2018, 11:14 pm

That's correct, ZF200 & ZF266, both of which currently reside in the US.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Mike on Sat 08 Dec 2018, 11:22 pm

http://www.rswarbirds.com/

This company bought up 20+ Tucanos, and have been selling them into the US market for a decade now.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby TomG on Mon 10 Dec 2018, 1:42 pm

reheat module wrote:They were a nightmare for interchangeability when we had the first batch at Scampton.
Could even swap over some panels due to holes being in different places...


Memories of the Phantom, panels came undrilled and you drilled the fastener holes as per the aircraft you were carrying out the work; aircraft per production batch were subtly different.
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby Big Eric on Mon 10 Dec 2018, 2:29 pm

TomG wrote:
reheat module wrote:They were a nightmare for interchangeability when we had the first batch at Scampton.
Could even swap over some panels due to holes being in different places...


Memories of the Phantom, panels came undrilled and you drilled the fastener holes as per the aircraft you were carrying out the work; aircraft per production batch were subtly different.


Was this before you were on Jaguars at Bruggen, Tom. Leuchars perhaps?
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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby TomG on Mon 10 Dec 2018, 5:04 pm

Big Eric wrote:
TomG wrote:
reheat module wrote:They were a nightmare for interchangeability when we had the first batch at Scampton.
Could even swap over some panels due to holes being in different places...


Memories of the Phantom, panels came undrilled and you drilled the fastener holes as per the aircraft you were carrying out the work; aircraft per production batch were subtly different.


Was this before you were on Jaguars at Bruggen, Tom. Leuchars perhaps?


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Re: RAF Tucano preservation?

Postby minnie the moocher on Mon 10 Dec 2018, 10:45 pm

Dear Santa,
If I promise to be very very good and not wind up or annoy anybody for a whole year please can I have a Tucano for Christmas 2019 ....
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