Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby paravion on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 5:14 pm

Well done Thunder City and Mike Beachy Head. Lightning T5 ZU-BBD (XS452) returned to the air today. Pic by Chris van Rooyen in Cape Town.

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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby MarkL on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 5:23 pm

:shock: Really ?
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Thumper on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 5:24 pm

Any pictures of her in the air?

I was doubtful about this actually happening so congratulations to Mike Beachy Head and his team for this achievement.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Father Ted on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 5:37 pm

The ONLY place for a Lightning is in the air.

Sincerely hope the maintenance is up to scratch.
Really would like to see some airborne piccies again.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby theactualsparky on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 5:40 pm

blimey, whoda funk it?!
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Mike on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:08 pm

Scary stuff.

When will they ever learn? Anywhere in the civilized world, those responsible for the last smoking hole would be in jail by now. :sad:
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Duxfordian on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:18 pm

Mike wrote:Scary stuff.

When will they ever learn? Anywhere in the civilized world, those responsible for the last smoking hole would be in jail by now. :sad:


I got told off for using "smoking hole" as a phrase on this forum.

I hope the moderators tell you off the same for dismissing RSA as "uncivilized" . :mad: :clown: :mad:
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Reds Rolling on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:20 pm

Are there any reputable sources that the Lightning flew, apart from that picture of one taxiing?

Exciting to hear if it is indeed true, but after reading the damning report on the 2009 crash, surprising to say the least.

Hopefully some more news will surface shortly.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby BMrider on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:27 pm

Mike wrote:Scary stuff.

When will they ever learn? Anywhere in the civilized world, those responsible for the last smoking hole would be in jail by now. :sad:


Stupid comment :mad: what are "they" supposed to learn? to stop flying historic aircraft and put them all in museums :mad:
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Gregg on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:39 pm

They're meant to learn that to safely operate one of these things then you have to do it strictly by the book. No cutting corners etc. Frankly I'm astounded and worries that the same bunch are allowed to continue operating any aircraft, never mind a lightning.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Thumper on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:39 pm

Nothing to do with it being an historic aircraft, more to do with the fact that the maintenance of the aircraft Dave Stock was flying (therefore possibly the others too) was shambolic so yes there were plenty of lessons to learn. The Frightning's are well known for being a pig to fly and maintain.

I am not against the same team operating Lightnings, they learnt a lesson in a very tragic way. If this story is true it is a huge achievement but I am nervous about it all. Yet to see any in-air photographs though and I've searched Google and cannot find much on the Lightning flying so we'll see where this goes.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby LightningMk6 on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:41 pm

Good shot of a Lightning taxiing, where are the shots of her airborne?
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby MicrolightDriver on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:45 pm

I thought the whole fleet, or at least the remaining Lightnings, were up for auction?
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby BMrider on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:47 pm

Gregg wrote:They're meant to learn that to safely operate one of these things then you have to do it strictly by the book. No cutting corners etc. Frankly I'm astounded and worries that the same bunch are allowed to continue operating any aircraft, never mind a lightning.


You could mention that to the VTTS trust, leaving bags of silica gel in the engine intake only by luck did we not see a Vulcan plunging into a housing estate, mistakes are always going to happen, poor practices occur everywhere, some with tragic results but yer don't ground everything!! you try to make sure you learn and correct the problems, hopefully that's just what the SA crew have done.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby ukko on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:50 pm

HI
There are pictures on facebook of the flight at ShortFinalTV page and also AVcom www.avcom.co.za, hope this helps, cheers.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Gregg on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:54 pm

Are you serious? You're comparing a mistake to the mess that was Thunder City? You have read the accident report haven't you? A man died in that accident, a man that shouldn't have been in the aircraft to begin with. That crash wasn't because of a mistake.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby MicrolightDriver on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:58 pm

Gregg wrote:Are you serious? You're comparing a mistake to the mess that was Thunder City? You have read the accident report haven't you? A man died in that accident, a man that shouldn't have been in the aircraft to begin with. That crash wasn't because of a mistake.


I agree, I think it's extremely misleading to compare a catalogue of failings in the operation of that Lightning with a one off error during a pre-flight check...
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby MarkL on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 6:58 pm

I want to defend the intent of Mike's comment (but not the wording).

I also want to state I am only an enthusiast... I have no in-depth knowledge of aircraft restoration or the technicalities involved.

It worries me that complex aircraft designed for defence /conflict are available to civilian operators to display. My understanding is that military aircraft (particularly from WW2 onwards) are complex and probably designed for a relatively short life. In their service days they would be maintained to a very high level and were likely very high maintenance. Their crews would also be experts, intensively trained and working day in, day out with their aircraft.

Like most of us on this forum, I love seeing these classic aircraft displayed, but I do worry about the consequences of one of these thoroughbreds failing.

I am not a killjoy so I hope you take my comments in the spirit they are intended.

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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby BMrider on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:00 pm

Gregg wrote:Are you serious? You're comparing a mistake to the mess that was Thunder City? You have read the accident report haven't you? A man died in that accident, a man that shouldn't have been in the aircraft to begin with. That crash wasn't because of a mistake.


Yes I'm being serious, and so should you, It was only by luck that silica gel bag went into the engine when it did and not later when loss of life could have occurred, don't try to minimise the seriousness of that error, vtts were very lucky that day.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Hasboman on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:02 pm

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6 ... 2&refid=13

Congratulations to the team, I think Dave would be proud of it!
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby FGR2 on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:03 pm

I am surprised that they have been allowed (or in fact anyone be allowed) to fly a Lightning again.

BAe Systems warned the South African Authorities about the Lightning's service record, yet they still grated permission for them to be operated. In the accident report it alleges things like procedures not being followed, and inexperienced maintenance teams being used to work on the jet.

Considering the operational record or the Lightning and the accident report, I do find it surprising that they are flying again.

The RAF with large spares sources, experienced maintenance crews and no financial constraints could not stop engine fires and subsequent loss of aircraft.

I am glad the CAA take the stance they do.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Duxfordian on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:06 pm

[quote="Hasboman"]

Congratulations to the team, I think Dave would be proud of it![/quote

The same team who more or less killed him, you mean?

RSA is place close to my heart but no way in the world should BeachyHeads "team" of chancers be let near a flying EE Lightning ever again.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby paravion on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:12 pm

Gotta chuckle at the faked concern; I thought we had enough doubters and finger waggers in our neck of the woods!

And yes, Hasboman - Dave would have been very proud.

Picture of it flying today on SA Flyer Magazine Facebook page.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Hasboman on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:37 pm

Duxfordian wrote:
Hasboman wrote:
Congratulations to the team, I think Dave would be proud of it!


The same team who more or less killed him, you mean?

RSA is place close to my heart but no way in the world should BeachyHeads "team" of chancers be let near a flying EE Lightning ever again.


Surely it's their own choice to fly them?! I'm sorry Duxfordian, but I find your comment to be incredibly disrespectful.
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Re: Oh YES! Lightning XS452 flies again

Postby Flare Path on Tue 14 Jan 2014, 7:48 pm

BMrider wrote:
Mike wrote:Scary stuff.

When will they ever learn? Anywhere in the civilized world, those responsible for the last smoking hole would be in jail by now. :sad:


Stupid comment :mad: what are "they" supposed to learn? to stop flying historic aircraft and put them all in museums :mad:


Mike makes a very wise point, considering their appalling safety record. Nobody wants a repeat of before, but you can't hide from what we know.

The happy clap comments - suggesting we should ignore what history tells us - are a lot worse than those airing on the cautious side.

If the story is true, then let's hope for a safe flight for those involved.
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