MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 5:50 pm

This year will be the start of a “new era of maritime power” for Britain, as the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carrier leaves its shipyard and begins sea trials, the Defence Secretary has said. Sir Michael Fallon said: “2017 is the start of a new era of maritime power, projecting Britain’s influence globally and delivering security at home.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... ea-trials/

Makes interesting reading. I hope Sir Michael and the MOD are right ? I cant wait to see the first carrier on the move.
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Postby Red Dragon on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 6:20 pm

Will it be more mechanically reliable than the Daring class? That's the important question?
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Postby The Baron on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 7:20 pm

Great. And when are the F-35s going to be operational? Until then the carrier is about as much use as wind down windows on a submarine.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Ouragan on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 9:08 pm

This is the same Royal Navy that has mortgaged its surface fleet to pay for these two carriers? The same Royal Navy that now uses Royal Fleet Auxiliaries for duties that previously would have used a frigate or a destroyer?

Putin must be quaking in his boots. Unless it's another Royal Navy we're talking about.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby frank on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 10:19 pm

Ouragan wrote:This is the same Royal Navy that has mortgaged its surface fleet to pay for these two carriers? The same Royal Navy that now uses Royal Fleet Auxiliaries for duties that previously would have used a frigate or a destroyer?

Putin must be quaking in his boots. Unless it's another Royal Navy we're talking about.



Totally agree with your comments on mortgaging the fleet for Carriers that are so large - with the F35s did they need to be so big.
Re Putin - I don't think the Russian Northern Fleet (subs aside) are anything to worry about from a NATO perspective. Nor should we worry about the Kutznezov which seems not to being used as an Aircraft Carrier at the moment as it is not fit for purpose.
Not trying to be too lax about Russia but its Navy (subs aside) isn't a threat. I would be happier to see our Posiedon`s in service rather than the Aircraft Carriers tbh.
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Postby Brevet Cable on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 10:24 pm

Ouragan wrote:The same Royal Navy that now uses Royal Fleet Auxiliaries for duties that previously would have used a frigate or a destroyer?

As it stands , the RFAs are about the only ships that are routinely fully-manned.....the RN are suffering such a recruitment & retention shortfall that your average RN warship is operating below complement in all departments( some crewing branches have an overall shortfall of around 10-20% )
All well & good having these wonderful ship-building schemes , but they're pointless if you can't man them.
It shows how bad it is when they're trying to attract ex-Army & RAF ( or those about to leave ) techies , etc. to re-trade & re-badge as RN engineers
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Wissam24 on Mon 02 Jan 2017, 11:44 pm

Good news for Shuttleworth then!
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby davidjones533 on Tue 03 Jan 2017, 11:41 am

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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Tue 03 Jan 2017, 12:02 pm

Red Dragon wrote:Will it be more mechanically reliable than the Daring class? That's the important question?


One can only hope so. Time will tell.

At least QE is being delivered on time and on budget.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby TIGER TIM on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 3:47 pm

davidjones533 wrote:
The Baron wrote:Great. And when are the F-35s going to be operational? Until then the carrier is about as much use as wind down windows on a submarine.


I seem to recall reading something just before Christmas indicating that USMC F-35Bs will be operating from her in the interim. Not ideal, but at least they can get the trials done and dusted with their support. I understand that USMC aircraft will embark on the USS Wasp for their first operational cruise later this year, so they're a bit ahead of us.


Correct, althought we may have a unit if AV-8B+'s thrown in has well. :whistle:

Has for the USMC and their F-35B's....they are miles in front of us. a friend's youngest son was hoping to get onto the F-35B Lightning FG1 but will have to settle for a tour on the Typhoon FGR4 before he "might" get a sniff of a DAVE. :question: :roll:
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Postby ericbee123 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:21 pm

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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Thu 12 Jan 2017, 5:49 pm

Another interesting write-up. Its all looking very promising........

The Ministry of Defence have clarified the details regarding the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers and their complement of aircraft.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/yes-the ... -aircraft/
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Thu 11 May 2017, 6:02 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth is expected to sail into Portsmouth Harbour this autumn, Defence secretary Michael Fallon has said.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-que ... th-autumn/
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Alanko on Thu 11 May 2017, 7:56 pm

Burleysway wrote:This year will be the start of a “new era of maritime power” for Britain.



...but not too powerful! We need to keep relations with Italy and Turkey sweet, otherwise the F-35s won't be getting serviced. :wall:
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Ouragan on Fri 12 May 2017, 11:12 am

Burleysway wrote:HMS Queen Elizabeth is expected to sail into Portsmouth Harbour this autumn, Defence secretary Michael Fallon has said.


Pulled or pushed by tugs?
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Mon 29 May 2017, 9:21 am

HMS Queen Elizabeth just about finished with the vessel planned to sail on sea trials next month.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/picture ... eady-sail/

She does look great, you can hardly see the 2 massive Ainsclough cranes on her flight deck.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 7:11 am

And she's off...

After nearly a decade of construction, Britain's biggest ever warship will set sail for the first time today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ridge.html
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navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby craig.mason on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 7:32 am

Royal Navy's largest ever warship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, to set sail
After eight years, the Royal Navy's newest aircraft carrier is to set sail from the Rosyth dockyard where she was built.
what's the point in having an "aircraft" carrier if there are no planes to fly off it????
Maybe if they should have kept the harrier force until the f-35 comes into service they would have a fully operational carrier strike force
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby Pringles on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 7:46 am

So many missing capital letters :dizzy:
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby speedbird2639 on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 7:50 am

Maybe if they should have kept the harrier force until the f-35


Never understood 'Call Me Dave' Cameron's rush to get rid of the Harrier force just after hundreds of millions had been spent on servicing them. Either you need the capability operationally in which case you keep the Harriers until the F-35 is sorted; or if you are getting rid of the Harriers because you don't require that capability then why are you ordering F-35s?

Ordering 2 massive aircraft carriers just smacks of Cold War sabre rattling.
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby cg_341 on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 9:33 am

craig.mason wrote:what's the point in having an "aircraft" carrier if there are no planes to fly off it????

Plenty of helicopters though...
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby 138EAW on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:20 am

craig.mason wrote:Maybe if they should have kept the harrier force until the f-35 comes into service they would have a fully operational carrier strike force


We are 11 months ish from F-35 arrival at Marham. Without being scrapped in 2010, the Harriers OSD was meant to be 2017 / 2018. So they likely would never have seen the deck of QE anyway
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby Ewart on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:28 am

craig.mason wrote:what's the point in having an "aircraft" carrier if there are no planes to fly off it????


Maybe the aircraft carrier needs to conduct sea trials and the crew need to get used to how everything works before they add the extra danger of having aeroplanes operating on it?
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby Mike on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 11:17 am

The USMC are providing the aircraft for the first operational cruise
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby Spiny Norman on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 12:07 pm

There is the issue of maritime operation and fast-jet pilot currency but luckily some of this has been allowed to continue through our friends across the water.
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