MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby 138EAW on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 2:14 pm

Live stream of HMS QE leaving Rosyth on the Royal Navy Facebook page, the carrier is a dot in the distance :lol: https://www.facebook.com/royalnavy/?hc_ ... S_TIMELINE

Sky News also have a feed on Facebook, better view too https://www.facebook.com/skynews/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby Beefy on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 7:26 pm

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craig.mason wrote:Maybe if they should have kept the harrier force until the f-35 comes into service they would have a fully operational carrier strike force


We are 11 months ish from F-35 arrival at Marham. Without being scrapped in 2010, the Harriers OSD was meant to be 2017 / 2018. So they likely would never have seen the deck of QE anyway


But if the QE had been on schedule, then maybe they would have seen her deck :whistle:

Well, I'll wait for the trials to be completed, for her to be declared operational and at that point in time either:
a) 'The next party' will make a political statement by scrapping her; or
b) as above but with the F-35. Then we will be trying to retro-fit steam catapults to her deck, whilst trying to purchase Super Hornets on a shoe string; or
c) "Fly Navy" is privatised to Rupert Murdoch... and even more hell breaks loose around the World.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Steve p on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:39 pm

Bit of a joke really an aircraft carrier with no aircraft, sure it would have been easier to make the aircraft before the aircraft carrier, why is it the USN and USMC are getting F-35s now while we have to wait god knows how long for ours?. Maybe get the old vixen patched up and the bucc thats apparently!! airworthy onboard with the historic flights sea hawk and sea fury, chuck a few stringbags on and hey presto we have a better carrier strike force then we have now.
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Postby vulcan558 on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:40 pm

I can see once all the Tornados have gone from Marham, the Navy moving there F35s to Yeovilton.
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Postby Russ on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:48 pm

It's remarkable that the carrier has been to sea for only a few hours and the F-35 is getting berated. Do you honestly think the sea trials for the carrier won't take years? It's the largest ship and one of the most advanced, plus unique, that the Navy has ever operated. Give it time.

I said many years ago that anyone who thought the carrier would be operational before the F-35 would be mistaken. Today proves that.


And I don't for one moment, given the extensive basing studies, believe the Navy will move away from a joint-force F-35 fleet with the RAF at Marham. Not least the massive investment in infrastructure at Marham either.
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Postby 138EAW on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 11:22 pm

Steve p wrote:Bit of a joke really an aircraft carrier with no aircraft, sure it would have been easier to make the aircraft before the aircraft carrier, why is it the USN and USMC are getting F-35s now while we have to wait god knows how long for ours?. Maybe get the old vixen patched up and the bucc thats apparently!! airworthy onboard with the historic flights sea hawk and sea fury, chuck a few stringbags on and hey presto we have a better carrier strike force then we have now.


The DOD are the primary customer and can afford to buy F-35s at a higher rate than the UK. The RAF received their 10th? F-35 in early June, it's been touted a new delivery every 3 months ish (like the A400M). So 617 Sqn should be up to squadron strength* by end of year or when they arrive at Marham, if they are leaving jets in the US for testing with 17(R) TES

* Squadron strength going of the old RAF frontline 12 jet squadron formula

vulcan558 wrote:I can see once all the Tornados have gone from Marham, the Navy moving there F35s to Yeovilton.


No, the Navy already have a growing presence. I doubt the MOD could afford to spend the amount they are at Marham again at Yeovilton. Marham is one big building site
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby lambo17841 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 8:13 am

Reported in national press that when computer software added in 2004 at time of design Windows XP was fitted and it seems to be the system still in use.
So much for a modern Navy,no aircraft and a computer system out of date.

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Postby Skyflash on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 11:00 am

Drove down to S Queensferry last night to try and get a few shots of her slipping under the Forth Bridge. Unfortunately every photographer in Edinburgh, Lothians, Fife and beyond had had the same idea... the place was absolutely heaving by the time I arrived! Then, to compound matters, I discovered that I have lost/misplaced the base-plate for my tripod... even the (very) well-lit Bridges didn't really do anything for my attempts at shooting a moving object at night... :facepalm:

Anyway she is an awesome sight and looked magnificent against the iconic bridges. I'll leave the arguments about technological bloopers and the fitness or otherwise of the F-35s to those who give a damn.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Russ on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 11:13 am

lambo17841 wrote:Reported in national press that when computer software added in 2004 at time of design Windows XP was fitted and it seems to be the system still in use.
So much for a modern Navy,no aircraft and a computer system out of date.

US nuclear weapons force still use 1970s-era computer system and 8-inch floppy disks - which is going to be the case till 2020.

To assume that a project would always have the latest IT technologies is naive, particularly with the time frames involved. If it works and is secure - great. It can be updated if necessary after the system is live.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby 138EAW on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 11:54 am

lambo17841 wrote:Reported in national press that when computer software added in 2004 at time of design Windows XP was fitted and it seems to be the system still in use.
So much for a modern Navy,no aircraft and a computer system out of date.

John in Seaford


This story has been doing the rounds since at least 2015 if not earlier. This is a UK Defence Journal article from 2015

No, our new aircraft carriers don’t run on Windows XP
By Tom Dunlop - November 24, 2015

Britain’s new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers do not utilise Windows XP derived software, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.
Speculation has been rife since an image of the operating system was seen on a technicians laptop during a documentary, let’s dig a little deeper shall we?

The Royal Navy recently adopted a specialised version of Microsoft Windows 2000 (“Windows for Warships”) for the fleet.

While some versions of Windows have long been criticised for unreliability, it’s generally not the case with Windows 2000 and it’s successor XP. These operating systems are widely used in commercial operations (including manufacturing plants, labs and commercial ships). The Royal Navy has already installed similar systems in other ships and submarines.

It is understood that the most significant expense in using “Windows for Warships” is writing the software that will connect the networked devices to ship sensors and communications. The navy has found large flat displays excellent ways to view sensor data and information.
The rumours seem to have stemmed from a comedy wallpaper on the laptop owned by an engineer that was visible on a recent documentary.
The MoD confirmed via their self published ‘Defence in the Media’ blog at the time:

“The MoD can confirm that Windows XP will not be used by any onboard system when the ship becomes operational, this also applies to HMS Prince of Wales.”

So what do the Queen Elizabeth class use? The new carriers will also be the first ships to be built with a BAE Systems designed operating system called Shared Infrastructure, which will be rolled out across the Royal Navy’s surface fleet over the next 10 years. Shared Infrastructure is a state-of-the-art system that will revolutionise the way ships operate by using virtual technologies to host and integrate the sensors, weapons and management systems that complex warships require. Replacing multiple large consoles dedicated to specific tasks with a single hardware solution, reduces the amount of spares required to be carried onboard and will significantly decrease through-life costs.
Developed by engineers at BAE Systems in collaboration with the Ministry of Defence’s Maritime Combat Systems team, Shared Infrastructure is an innovative hardware solution that can host software from multiple technology providers on a single system. This means, for the first time ever, the ship’s crew has the capability to access all software, such as navigation, communications and sonar, needed to operate the ship’s combat systems through a single console. This provides significant savings to the MOD, including a reduction in the space and power needed for computing equipment, makes it simpler for crew to operate, as well as reducing the amount of spares which are required to be carried on board and therefore significantly decreasing through-life costs.
According to BAE:

“They [the Queen Elizabeth class] will also be the first ships to be built with a BAE Systems designed, new state-of-the-art operating system called Shared Infrastructure, which will be rolled out across the Royal Navy’s surface fleet over the next ten years. Shared Infrastructure revolutionises the way ships operate by using virtual technologies to host and integrate the sensors, weapons and management systems that complex warships require. By replacing multiple large consoles dedicated to specific tasks with a single hardware solution, the amount of spares which are required to be carried onboard is reduced, significantly decreasing through-life costs.”
Jennifer Osbaldestin, Combat Systems Director at BAE Systems Naval Ships, said:

“Installing the Shared Infrastructure equipment on board HMS OCEAN introduces a more efficient way of housing the ship’s systems. By operating on a single interface, systems can be upgraded as and when required, and capabilities deployed efficiently, ensuring the Royal Navy is best placed to respond to evolving threats. This is a fantastic achievement for the teams involved and there is a real sense of excitement as we move into the next phase of installing the technology on board one of the Royal Navy’s Landing Platform Dock ships, HMS ALBION, next year.”


The deployment of Shared Infrastructure on HMS Ocean marks an important step towards the Ministry of Defence’s vision to establish a common shared architecture across all Royal Navy warships.

Shared Infrastructure is also being deployed on all 13 Type 23 frigates, the Royal Navy’s Offshore Patrol Vessels and the second Landing Platform Dock, system deployment is scheduled to be completed over the next 10 years. The installation of the hardware on the Type 23 frigate fleet will also pave the way for creating a coherent shared infrastructure across current and future warships, including the Type 26 Global Combat Ship.


https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-our- ... indows-xp/
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Postby AlexC on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 2:26 pm

Still think that she should have been built as a conventional carrier for F-35C's.
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Postby Trenethick on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 6:31 pm

vulcan558 wrote:I can see once all the Tornados have gone from Marham, the Navy moving there F35s to Yeovilton.


An environmental impact study took place at Yeovilton several years ago and it was decided that the F35 could not be based at VL due to the noise, even louder than the Sea Harrier and the increase in the local population within the noise footprint since the Shar was retired in 2006, hence the reason Marham will be the MOB for the F35, not so many people live within the noise footprint and those who do mostly rely on Marham for employment
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Postby ericbee123 on Tue 27 Jun 2017, 6:59 pm

AlexC wrote:Still think that she should have been built as a conventional carrier for F-35C's.


They changed their minds back again when they found out that the controller for EMALS uses Windows 3.1 and EMCAT from the UK was going to use MS-DOS.
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Postby ericbee123 on Sun 02 Jul 2017, 6:49 pm

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/first-t ... ign=social

First 3 type 26 frigates finally ordered today.
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Re: navy's new aircraft carrier sets sail today

Postby jag636 on Mon 03 Jul 2017, 8:51 pm

Pringles wrote:So many missing capital letters :dizzy:

And so many capital ships :biggrin:
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Wed 05 Jul 2017, 1:47 pm

First landing on HMSQE has taken place, Merlin chopper.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/hms-q ... -pictures/
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Postby Alanko on Thu 06 Jul 2017, 11:18 am

ericbee123 wrote:https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/first-type-26-frigate-batch-ordered-clyde-3-7bn-deal/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=FacebookPage&utm_campaign=social

First 3 type 26 frigates finally ordered today.


Speaking as a Scot, I do find Scotland's part-time pacifism quite amusing. Lot of 'bairns not bombs' and anti-Trident rhetoric when it comes to election time, which jars slightly with the rabid desire to keep building warships the rest of the time.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Alanko on Fri 21 Jul 2017, 2:51 pm

I've been curious as to why HMS Queen Elizabeth has been berthed at Invergordon for so long.

The answer is here: http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/hms-queen-elizabeths-extended-stop-at-invergordon-explained/

Debris damage! Not a brilliant start, but obviously it couldn't be anticipated.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby AARDVARK on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 6:37 am

This whole operation will take time ...
We haven't had a carrier like this since the 1970's...
It's basically like starting again!
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Stagger2 on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 11:50 am

There's the problem! We still don't have a 'carrier like' the ones before the 1970's. They had 'cats & traps' & could take a variety of fixed-wing aircraft to fulfill a plethora of as yet unknown scenarios. The UK Government has a long-established pattern of going down their own route at great expense...then buying off-the-shelf items at a fraction of the wasted development costs they've abandoned, years after they could've procured that same equipment at a much-reduced cost compared to today! :mad:
The Harrier is rightly held in great esteem, possibly increasing with the 'nostalgic index'! It was however basically a one-trick pony which had a singularly unique ability. In its war-role there was always a trade-off between armament & range with no facility in-theatre to AAR via buddy/buddy or suitable tanker. Fast forward to QE & the self-same situation exists today, pathetic! :sick:
QE should've had a Nuclear power-plant, EMALS Catapult & Arrestor-gear, then we wouldn't be 'locked-into' a single option for the fixed-wing component, which is basically an extremely high-priced, limited-range/ability 'Super-Harrier'.
The UK needs COD (Carrier On-board Delivery), Carrier-borne AAR & fixed-wing AEW, okay we'll have 'Crowsnest' on Merlin & VERTREP via Merlin, but the Merlin is range/endurance limited without AAR. (Did I miss the A400M 'Crapless' air-tanker at RIAT??)
The USN has all those facilities for a reason! The USMC will cover-off the close-in stuff with their AV8 & F-35B, but the UK don't have that luxury.
If the US. concocted F-35B doesn't cut it we're f****d, but you're alright Jack!....you got AV8 aaaand all our updated Harriers to maintain VSTOL capability until at least 2040. :yahoo:
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Ouragan on Wed 26 Jul 2017, 3:01 pm

If the QE-class was nuclear powered it would not need EMALS. Otherwise I agree with you, though because of the contract with AirTanker, in which they are the sole source of air to air refuelling for the UK armed forces, we have a problem when it comes to refuelling helicopters.
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 7:44 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth is a ‘game changer’ says US Navy Admiral

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/us-admi ... co-uknews/
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Re: MoD says 2017 'Year of the Navy'

Postby Burleysway on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 7:25 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth teams up with USS George HW Bush during exercises off Scotland


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 ... -scotland/
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Postby Brevet Cable on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 7:45 pm

Only a few days after it happened ( as posted in the 'QE to Portsmouth' topic ) :biggrin:
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