UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby Tommy on Wed 07 Jun 2017, 6:57 pm

Ouragan wrote:So what are you doing to preserve our aviation heritage that allows you to sneer at others who have genuine hopes?


Oh, I don't know; I'd hope I'm not too contemptible, so I suppose the question isn't aimed at me.

But, maybe, probably, those people are investing in aviation heritage projects that aren't a pipe-dream, that are robustly costed, have an aircraft, mean something to the person donating, display an aircraft, have a well-tested and workable business strategy, get their marketing right, don't try and run as fast as Usain Bolt before they have learned to crawl, let alone walk, have clear aims and focus, are registered, have been in operation for some time, demonstrate that they are able to preserve aviation heritage, give you confidence that what little spare cash you have that you may wish to donate wont be spent aimlessly or without purpose, etc, etc...

You know... those kinds of projects...

The problem with "hope" is that it's very noble, but why should someone with a little spare cash to donate divert hard-earned monies to UKHAT when they could donate to, say, Sally B, or Navy Wings? That's the true challenge UKHAT faces. It's a competitive market out there.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby HeyfordDave111 on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 1:23 pm

Anyone got a sensible update on UKHAT's plans, purchases, dreams, nightmares, schemes or just plain reality realisation?

They have been quiet for a while now. Maybe they've dug up a Stirling builders plate from a crash site and are contemplating 'Stirling to the skies' ?
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby CJS on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 7:31 pm

Do you want 'sensible' or do you want 'Stirling to the sky'? :-P
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 7:42 pm

There will be an update shortly. We are doing lots behind the scenes at the moment and we will let you know of these as and when we can.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby HeyfordDave111 on Wed 02 Aug 2017, 8:18 pm

CJS wrote:Do you want 'sensible' or do you want 'Stirling to the sky'? :-P


You know what? STTS has a rather nice ring to it :grin:
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 5:23 pm

Today the UK Heritage Aviation Trust are delighted to announce that former Avro Vulcan Air Electronics Officer (AEO) Barry Masefield will be giving a talk to us on his role in the Falklands Conflict and Operation Corporate.

Time and Location
Saturday 2nd December - 7pm to 9pm
Baginton Village Hall, Frances Rd, Baginton, Coventry CV8 3AB, UK

Tickets
This event is advance ticket only - tickets can be bought at http://www.ukhat.org
Adults: £15
Children (under 16): £7.50

Free tea and coffee will be available on the evening.

We hope to have more exciting news to share with you in the coming weeks, but we hope that some of you UKARians will be able to make it to this event.

UKHAT Management
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby XP282 on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 6:07 pm

When will we get the update that you mentioned at the beginning of August?
Any plans to buy an aircraft yet? Canberra PR9?!!!!
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 6:41 pm

Unfortunately it is all a case of money. We have been working on these talks over the past few weeks and we plan to do several more this Winter.
We plan to use this money to purchase a range of merchandise that we will sell on our website and at airshows alike. This will help us to buy an aircraft in the future and also raise awareness for our activities.
The Canberra PR9 that you mentioned, namely XH134, costs £90,000. We have neither money or infrastructure to support that at this moment in time, but we do have specialised engineers at Coventry Airport (Atlantic Flight Maintenance) that are ready to assist when needed.
We are looking at holding several bigger events in 2018, including vintage jet nightshoots, but I cannot go into any more detail at this moment in time.
I hope that you will keep an eye out on our social media channels and website over the next few months. There are some exciting things ahead!
Regards
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby XP282 on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 8:15 pm

I'm sorry but you will NEVER raise anywhere near enough money to support the purchase of an aircraft through selling merchandise.

As for the exciting updates... I have been waiting since you first formed.... nothing so far
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 8:54 pm

We are currently waiting on permission from the relevant people to post an update, but we can assure you that there will be some form of flying activity in 2018. I am sorry I cannot go into any more detail yet. There are still some issues to iron out.
As for your fundraising concerns, we will also be hosting several larger scale events and the future update mentioned in the past and above will also bring in income.
We are pleased thst you have been following our activities and we hope that this answers your question as much as is possible at the moment.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby CJS on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 10:33 pm

XP282 wrote:I'm sorry but you will NEVER raise anywhere near enough money to support the purchase of an aircraft through selling merchandise.

As for the exciting updates... I have been waiting since you first formed.... nothing so far


In their defence, if they only raised £2.50 it would still support the purchase of an aircraft, just not very much!

As for flying activity in 2018, that seems like a pretty short timescale when fund raising has only just started in earnest, so perhaps someone has bankrolled a project to get it off the ground.

Time will tell I guess.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby Jakub.Zurek on Mon 04 Sep 2017, 10:51 pm

Yes, I suppose we will have to wait and see if they will get any kind of proper funding.

XP282 wrote:I'm sorry but you will NEVER raise anywhere near enough money to support the purchase of an aircraft through selling merchandise.


My thoughts exactly. My favourite was a stall at Dunsfold, with a small bucket for donations saying "help us raise £6 million".
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby CJS on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 6:00 am

I may have been critical of them in the past (although I can't be bothered to go back through the thread and check) but let's remember that they're only trying to get or keep aircraft flying. As long as they are legit in a legal and moral sense - and there's nothing to suggest n otherwise - the fundraising has gotta start somewhere.

If they didn't have a small bucket at Dunsfold, what is absolutely certain is that they wouldn't have raised anything at all.

Like I said, if it's all being done above board, good luck to them.

I see the owner or Miss Demeanour has posted on Facebook in the last few days reiterating his keeness to sell her and that she's pretty much ready to go again...'spectacularly painted Hunter to the sky' anyone?
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 6:12 am

"You'll never raise enough money...."
Hmmm....now where have I heard that before..... :whistle:
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby XP282 on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 6:27 am

My issue with UKHAT isn't the ideas or the aims. It just frustrates me when people come onto a public forum with an update that basically says, exciting news.... we'll tell you about it another time. That works if the update comes in a few days or weeks time but when it's months, people tend to think it's rubbish....which sadly is what I'm starting to think. I also have issue with them calling themselves a trust when I don't recall them ever getting legal trust status. If people are donating on that basis then I think that they are being defrauded (please forgive me if UKHAT has now officially received trust status).
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 7:33 am

I can 100% confirm that we were not at Dunsfold Wings and Wheels, so that must have been somebody else.
I appreciate that an update has been long and forthcoming. The heritage aviation industry is quite unstable at the moment, but we are trying our best. We would not have began this if we were not determined.

We have been in touch with the Charities Commission and we expect that we will register ourselves in the not too distant future. In the meantime, they have said that they are perfectly happy calling ourselves a trust. On behalf of the rest of UKHAT, I apologise if we have not said this before.

Many thanks for all of your questions
UKHAT
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby CJS on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 7:38 am

UKHAT_OFFICIAL wrote:I can 100% confirm that we were not at Dunsfold Wings and Wheels, so that must have been somebody else.
I appreciate that an update has been long and forthcoming. The heritage aviation industry is quite unstable at the moment, but we are trying our best. We would not have began this if we were not determined.

We have been in touch with the Charities Commission and we expect that we will register ourselves in the not too distant future. In the meantime, they have said that they are perfectly happy calling ourselves a trust. On behalf of the rest of UKHAT, I apologise if we have not said this before.

Many thanks for all of your questions
UKHAT


You might want to look in to that then! :shock:
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby Jakub.Zurek on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 9:31 am

Sorry if I didn't make it clear, the bucket for donations I was talking about was a different organisation.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 9:43 am

Thank you for clarifying that for us.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby sooty655 on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 7:16 pm

I think it might help a lot of people to decide whether UKHAT is worth their support if they knew who UKHAT actually consists of. It is all very well to say that who you are talking to is commercially confidential, but if people also don't know who YOU are, there is no reason for anyone to support you. The UKHAT website, which is painfully slow, is the most anonymous possible, no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, just a contact form.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby Rebecca_1984 on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 7:38 pm

To be honest I'm still unsure what the long term aim for this is, you say you wish to sell products to fund the purchase of an airframe, any in mind, or at the very least a rough idea of what your looking to operate, a classic jet, helicopter, WW2 warbird etc, its all just a bit lacking in substance right now.
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Tue 05 Sep 2017, 7:47 pm

I agree that it is something that should now be put in the public domain. I will get the list from the chairman and put it on here in the next few days.
It all depends on what is on the market and what relationships we have with the aircraft owner. I hope I can elaborate on this soon.
Matthew
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby UKHAT_OFFICIAL on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 5:42 pm

Chairman:
Duncan Halford founded the United Kingdom Heritage Aviation Trust (UKHAT) and has a real passion for vintage aircraft. Running two businesses himself, he has the right knowledge to be our chairman and take us forward into the future.

Secretary:
Nigel Powton is a keen aviation enthusiast and is responsible for helping the chairman with the organisation of meetings and ensuring the general smooth running of the organisation.

Treasurer:
The role of the treasurer is to monitor UKHAT’s financial administration and report this back to the trustees at regular intervals, in line with our governing document. TBC will also be involved in budgeting, strategic financial planning and investments.

Marketing:
Jem Shaw’s role is helping to spread the word about UKHAT to the general public through nationwide media and at events throughout the country. Jem was the former Marketing Director at Classic Air Force and has a wealth of over 30 years marketing experience to bring to the UKHAT team.

Communication:
Matthew Lear's role is to communicate with the general public and respond to website enquiries. (All website enquiries from the web contact form come to me - my email is enquiries@ukhat.org for those that prefer to use that)

Maintenance:
UKHAT will use Atlantic Flight Maintenance (AFM) for all of our maintenance and servicing needs. Based at Coventry Airport, AFM were responsible for looking after all of the aircraft belonging to Classic Air Force (a charitable organisation that closed down at the end of the 2015 airshow season) and have a wealth of knowledge in operating vintage aircraft in the United Kingdom.

We also have a small Ground Support Team that we will primarily be seen from 2018 onwards.

I hope this helps
Matt - UKHAT Management
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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby CJS on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 6:32 pm

In some respects these were already in the public domain; this from March this year https://www.charityconnect.co.uk/post/a ... -trust/605?

This is probably his twitter account https://twitter.com/dunc0936?lang=en-gb

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Re: UK Heritage Aviation Trust

Postby cg_341 on Wed 06 Sep 2017, 6:51 pm

What sort of a name is TBC? Poor communications practice, very poor.
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