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207(R) Sqn to stand up as F-35 OCU

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No. 207 Squadron Royal Air Force, a former bomber, communications and then trainer squadron, is to stand up as the F-35 OCU squadron it has been announced.

An operational conversion unit (OCU) is a unit within whose role is to support preparation for the operational missions of a specific aircraft type by providing trained personnel. Operational conversion units teach pilots how to fly an aircraft and which tactics best exploit the performance of their aircraft and its weapons.

Squadron forms in 2019 at Marham. The first Officer Commanding will be Scott Williams.

Before the RAF was formed it was part of the Royal Naval Air Service as No. 7 Squadron.

The announcement was made during a visit to RAF Marham by the Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier, and the First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir Philip Jones, to view the progress being made to prepare for the arrival of the fifth generation fighter at the Norfolk base next summer.

Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier said:

“I am very pleased to announce that the Operational Conversion Unit for the UK’s F-35B Lightning fleet will be 207 Squadron. The squadron has a proud and distinguished history, not only as an RAF squadron but as one of the earliest squadrons of the Royal Naval Air Service which, with the Royal Flying Corps, came together to form the Royal Air Force on 1 April 1918.

Preparations for the arrival of the first UK Lightnings next year are progressing well. The investment of £250m in infrastructure here at RAF Marham will ensure the station has the facilities to match this world-class aircraft when it arrives next year. As the home of the UK Lightning Force the station will be at the heart of UK airpower for decades to come.”

Admiral Sir Philip Jones First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff said:

“207 Squadron will play an important part in the future of both the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy, and rightly reflects our shared aviation heritage. I was in the United States earlier this month to meet some of the pilots and maintainers who are getting to grips with the F-35B. They’re working brilliantly together and today I’ve seen the same sense of purpose from those readying RAF Marham for their arrival.

HMS Queen Elizabeth is the first carrier in the world designed from the outset to operate a fifth generation combat aircraft. Crucially, a second ship – HMS Prince of Wales – is on its way, which will give the UK a continuous Carrier Strike capability. I have every expectation that, in time, this combination of carriers and jets will represent a powerful and important strategic conventional deterrent.”

The new infrastructure currently being built at RAF Marham includes vertical landing pads, the renewal of runways and taxiways and new technical and training facilities, offices and hangars.

The first Lightnings will arrive at RAF Marham in summer next year when the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy pilots currently training in the United States, will return as 617 Squadron, the Dambusters. The Lightning OCU will stand up as 207 Squadron on the 1st of July 2019.

In 2002 one of the Flying Training Squadrons operating Shorts Tucanos at No. 1 Flying Training School, RAF Linton-on-Ouse was renumbered as No. 207 (Reserve) Squadron. The squadron was later disbanded in January 2012 as a result of the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review.

It is expected that the UK will build a front-line fleet of four F-35 squadrons with each squadron having 12 jets. A fifth unit, an operational conversion unit, will also operate 12 aircraft.

The structure of the Lightning force is now somewhat clear.

17(R) Squadron is currently based at Edwards Air Force Base in the US and fills role of F-35B Operational Evaluation Unit.
617 Squadron will be based at RAF Marham and will be the first operational British F-35 unit in 2019.
809 Naval Air Squadron will also be based at RAF Marham.
2 more unnamed frontline Squadrons are to be established.
207 Squadron as the Operation Conversion Unit
This information comes from Air Cmdr. Harvey Smyth, the commander of the U.K.’s Lightning Force, as told to reporters at a conference in London last year.

In 2015, the UK government’s Strategic Defence and Security Review confirmed a planned order of 138 F-35s, with 23 of them to be available for carrier duties by 2023. The UK will have an operational fleet of around 63 aircraft which is less than half of the total number of F-35’s that the UK has agreed to purchase

However, as reported by AviationWeek, Smyth pointed out that “the total number would cover attrition replacements and the so-called sustainment fleet, which is defined as additional aircraft required to sustain the fleet to its out-of-service date as well as to cover maintenance. Other UK combat aircraft also have large sustainment fleets.”

The F-35B’s maiden deployment is set for late 2017 and it’s bound for the Western Pacific. The jet will deploy aboard an amphibious flattop and the US Marine Corps are planning a more powerful escort force to support it, according to Admiral Scott Swift, head of Pacific Fleet, as reported by Marine Times.

The F-35B has already flown from American assault ships as part of a series of tests, which largely went well. Additionally, F-35 unit costs have been going down with each successive lot of aircraft and will continue to do so.


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Does the 35 have fuel tank hard points?

I ask because we don't have a boom fitted tanker do we? :dunno:
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The RAF/RN f35s will have a refuelling probe, although i beleive they are considering having some Voyagers are being converted or produced with a boom for refuelling American aircraft suh as the P8.

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Does it really matter what sqn numberplate they use? They won't wear any markings and so will be grey dull heaps like all the other dull grey heaps everyone else will be using... :sleepy:
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Not massively important but a bit surprised this isn't 208 if it had to be a former RNAS squadron.

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Would have preferred 74 myself...Nato Tiger Meet....We can but dream. :grin:

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Pat Murphy wrote:Would have preferred 74 myself...Nato Tiger Meet....We can but dream. :grin:

Oh definitely if you were going for any RAF unit there would be loads of candidates but this one was chosen for its RNAS heritage, hence surprised It's not 208. With the drawdown of the GR4 force there's going to be some illustrious numberplates available, can't imagine there being no 9 sqn for instance!

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HeyfordDave111 wrote:Does the 35 have fuel tank hard points?

I ask because we don't have a boom fitted tanker do we? :dunno:


The F-35B has had that capability removed as one of the various weight saving measures. Never mind, there will probably be a USN F-18 or a French Rafale with a buddy pod somewhere nearby.

The MoD is looking into the possibility of fitting some or all of its Voyagers with a boom, though I suspect it will only be the KC.2 two point tankers that may be equipped. RAF C-17s, RC-135s and P-8s do not/will not be fitted with IFR probes.

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Why would they have wanted to chose 208 over 207 (genuine question)? Personally I think wartime heritage as a bomber (strike) unit may have tipped the balance.

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Not forgetting 207 Sqn also have a history at Marham, they were stationed their between 1951 and 1965 operating Washington's, Canberra's and finally Valiant's

The announcement doesn't bode well for the two of the three current Marham squadrons, I fully expect IX(B) will survive, future F-35 squadron? 12(B) and 31 future doesn't look good :sad:
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GertrudetheMerciless wrote:Why would they have wanted to chose 208 over 207 (genuine question)? Personally I think wartime heritage as a bomber (strike) unit may have tipped the balance.

Because 208 squadron's links with maritime operations lasted right into the 1980s on the Buccaneer so they have far more seniority? 207 has been a reserve unit since the Valiant left service.

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207sqn RAF was formed from 7sqn RNAS

Hence why it has been chosen, it's an original RAF squadron from when the RAF was formed and has a very strong Naval tie.

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Not forgetting that 207 Sqn was a Devon unit for those old enough to remember.... :ninja:


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boff180 wrote:207sqn RAF was formed from 7sqn RNAS

Hence why it has been chosen, it's an original RAF squadron from when the RAF was formed and has a very strong Naval tie.


208 was 8 Sqn RNAS...

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Craig wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:Why would they have wanted to chose 208 over 207 (genuine question)? Personally I think wartime heritage as a bomber (strike) unit may have tipped the balance.

Because 208 squadron's links with maritime operations lasted right into the 1980s on the Buccaneer so they have far more seniority? 207 has been a reserve unit since the Valiant left service.


208 may have operated the Bucc longer as a front line unit, but that doesn't guarantee seniority. :smile:

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What is happening with the 2 new Typhoon squadrons?

Can we expect a return of 111 and 74? I know they aren't at the top of the list, but those together with 43 are probably some of the most famous fighter squadrons out there.

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FGR2 wrote:What is happening with the 2 new Typhoon squadrons?

Can we expect a return of 111 and 74? I know they aren't at the top of the list, but those together with 43 are probably some of the most famous fighter squadrons out there.


19 is also in with a shout for a Typhoon squadron. However from what I can discover it is between 19, 43, 74 and 111 to reform, however no one seems to know when the squadrons will stand too. So that means it will be something totally different!! :grin:

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GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
Craig wrote:
GertrudetheMerciless wrote:Why would they have wanted to chose 208 over 207 (genuine question)? Personally I think wartime heritage as a bomber (strike) unit may have tipped the balance.

Because 208 squadron's links with maritime operations lasted right into the 1980s on the Buccaneer so they have far more seniority? 207 has been a reserve unit since the Valiant left service.


208 may have operated the Bucc longer as a front line unit, but that doesn't guarantee seniority. :smile:

As I understood it seniority was based on the number of years as a front line unit? If that's the case 208 surely will be in front?

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Red Dragon wrote:
FGR2 wrote:What is happening with the 2 new Typhoon squadrons?

Can we expect a return of 111 and 74? I know they aren't at the top of the list, but those together with 43 are probably some of the most famous fighter squadrons out there.


19 is also in with a shout for a Typhoon squadron. However from what I can discover it is between 19, 43, 74 and 111 to reform, however no one seems to know when the squadrons will stand too. So that means it will be something totally different!! :grin:

Don't forget IX, 12 and 31 will become available soon too, some famous old numberplates there, IX especially. Just can't see that one disappearing.

As I understand it 43's standard has been permanently laid up, but we're at the point where there's significantly more worthy squadrons than aircraft. Who'd have thought 16 sqn would be a Tutor unit!

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Craig wrote:Who'd have thought 16 sqn would be a Tutor unit!


Nothing wrong with that; better than being non-existent. If anything the bond between the current custodians of 16Sqn's heritage are keeping just as strong a bond with the former operational members of the Sqn as anyone would have done before. I was lucky enough to attend the celebration of the Sqn centenery which demonstrated it nicely, and just as they did in the 60s as a Canberra unit, the young Officers don their fezzes after a loyal toast and in the bar (much to the annoyance of inferior Sqns and blunties also present)

This can probably be read over to any flying Squadron.

As for seniority, I don't think it can now be left down to traditional "time on the front line" (for want of a better description). There a so few now that I think other factors maybe need to be considered. For example, between 208 and 207, a comparison could be made of "Battle Honours", which as a WWII heavy bomber unit probably favour 207. Geography also seems to play a part: a V-Bomber unit from Marham is "returning home". All possibilities. :smile:

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Topically, in response to a Mr Cheeseman's FOI request:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/408544/response/993081/attach/html/3/20170616%20FOI201705598.pdf.html

Rejected due to the fact compiling a full seniority list would require "approximately 860 hours, or 119 working days of effort".

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