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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby FarnboroJohn on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 12:20 am

Tommy wrote:"Chipmunk's" :wall: :wall:

In addition to the inclusion of the Chipmunks, I also see that the "Greengrocer's Apostrophe" has made it into the media mainstream. This from the same paper that laments the young because schools aren't what they used to be and exams are too easy...

Gents - make sure you're better than the Daily Fail. You seldom ever need to use an apostrophe to pluralise nouns. Just add an "s" (or "es" as the case may be).

But, I realise it's one thing to rant about grammar, and another thing to just set out the correct way for others. It's the following:

Chipmunks, not Chimpunk's
F-16s, not F-16's
Idiots, not idiot's
Nazis, not Nazi's
Bigots, not bigot's
Apostrophes, not apostrophe's

... & so on and so forth.


*awaits someone to pull me up on some other grammatical issue... Did I forget the vocative? How about the gerund? :hypno:


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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 8:08 am

speedbird2639 wrote:Conversely a lot of the other arms of the services active in WW2 received campaign medals and memorials for those lost; something which is only now starting to be addressed for people like those who served in Bomber Command as an example.

They got the ACE or F&G star.
Squaddies who fought & died - or were invalided out after being wounded - in the ETO prior to the Normandy Invasion didn't get anything other than the basic 1939-45 & WM
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Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 9:35 am

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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Rampvan on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 4:33 pm

Tommy wrote:"Chipmunk's" :wall: :wall:

In addition to the inclusion of the Chipmunks, I also see that the "Greengrocer's Apostrophe" has made it into the media mainstream. This from the same paper that laments the young because schools aren't what they used to be and exams are too easy...

Gents - make sure you're better than the Daily Fail. You seldom ever need to use an apostrophe to pluralise nouns. Just add an "s" (or "es" as the case may be).

But, I realise it's one thing to rant about grammar, and another thing to just set out the correct way for others. It's the following:

Chipmunks, not Chimpunk's
F-16s, not F-16's
Idiots, not idiot's
Nazis, not Nazi's
Bigots, not bigot's
Apostrophes, not apostrophe's

... & so on and so forth.


*awaits someone to pull me up on some other grammatical issue... Did I forget the vocative? How about the gerund? :hypno:


Your spelling of "Daily Mail" is incorrect :facepalm:
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby reheat module on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 4:53 pm

^^^^^^
Reads rather well to me.
Personally, I'd remove the word 'ever' in your phrase 'seldom ever' as may be indicative of tautology, or confliction, but otherwise no issues.
What do you believe to be the correct plural of 'lens'?
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Binbrook 01 on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 7:29 pm

The Lincolnshire Echo, that noted newspaper from Lincoln that is now weekly.... which probably tells you something..... :tumbleweed: :tumbleweed:

Has run the same story about the Lightning UFO theory.... although it is without pictures of playschool style UFOs, however it is on the equally irritanting online formatted version. The format of which all online local newpapers seem to have copied now :mad:

Not like upsetting the family of said pilot seems to stop them churning out the same old sewerage... :wall:
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby CJS on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm

reheat module wrote:^^^^^^
Reads rather well to me.
Personally, I'd remove the word 'ever' in your phrase 'seldom ever' as may be indicative of tautology, or confliction, but otherwise no issues.
What do you believe to be the correct plural of 'lens'?


Lenses.

The phrase can be changed to "never". The little blighters are used for two reasons: To show contraction (shouldn't, fo'c'sle :shock: ) or to indicate possession (Tommy's rant, Chris's massive...yeah well, you get the idea :wink: ). But never to show a plural.

Without wishing to teach any grannys to suck eggs, don't forget that it's greengrocer's if you're talking about one of them possessing the apostrophe, but greengrocers' if you are referring to more than one.

Same as "the boy's football" and "the boys' football". Both could be be correct.

Sorry ;-)
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby FarnboroJohn on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:23 pm

CJS wrote:
reheat module wrote:^^^^^^
Reads rather well to me.
Personally, I'd remove the word 'ever' in your phrase 'seldom ever' as may be indicative of tautology, or confliction, but otherwise no issues.
What do you believe to be the correct plural of 'lens'?


Lenses.

The phrase can be changed to "never". The little blighters are used for two reasons: To show contraction (shouldn't, fo'c'sle :shock: ) or to indicate possession (Tommy's rant, Chris's massive...yeah well, you get the idea :wink: ). But never to show a plural.

Without wishing to teach any grannys to suck eggs, don't forget that it's greengrocer's if you're talking about one of them possessing the apostrophe, but greengrocers' if you are referring to more than one.

Same as "the boy's football" and "the boys' football". Both could be be correct.

Sorry ;-)


Grannies, surely? :lol:

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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby CJS on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 6:53 am

Good point!
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Airwolfhound on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 12:45 pm

FarnboroJohn wrote:
CJS wrote:
reheat module wrote:^^^^^^
Reads rather well to me.
Personally, I'd remove the word 'ever' in your phrase 'seldom ever' as may be indicative of tautology, or confliction, but otherwise no issues.
What do you believe to be the correct plural of 'lens'?


Lenses.

The phrase can be changed to "never". The little blighters are used for two reasons: To show contraction (shouldn't, fo'c'sle :shock: ) or to indicate possession (Tommy's rant, Chris's massive...yeah well, you get the idea :wink: ). But never to show a plural.

Without wishing to teach any grannys to suck eggs, don't forget that it's greengrocer's if you're talking about one of them possessing the apostrophe, but greengrocers' if you are referring to more than one.

Same as "the boy's football" and "the boys' football". Both could be be correct.

Sorry ;-)


Grannies, surely? :lol:

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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Tommy on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 10:42 am

Apologies for a) causing and continuing the thread drift, & b) the utterly, utterly boring nature of it, but:

reheat module wrote:Personally, I'd remove the word 'ever' in your phrase 'seldom ever' as may be indicative of tautology, or confliction, but otherwise no issues.


Well tautology is a matter of style over correctness (you can use a tautology, it's just that some see it as unnecessary), but fair cop, guv - you've got me there.

It's lawyer-speak to use tautologies sometimes; it enables you to squirm out of situations more easily than using direct words. I purposefully avoided using the word "never" writing my post, because I assume (as I always do) that I'm probably incorrect, and I was waiting for someone with more brains than I to find some obscure rule I don't know about that says it can be correct to use an apostrophe to pluralise a noun. It's easier to keep yourself clean by using more words than some consider necessary over using direct words like "never" (hence this mini-essay). So yeah, my bad.

Not that you did it, RM, but on the general point, I don't know what it is about grammar and spelling that makes people comb through your post looking for other spelling and grammar flaws. Like "haha! You're not such a smartarse!" Yeah, true, but that doesn't stop someone from being correct about the original point. In this instance, all I was doing was trying in a friendly way to let others know the correct way, because the moment you point it out to specific people, you're called a grammar-nazi, told to get a life, got no friends, sad, etc... So I am often left wondering how we correct grammar if those who make the errors don't notice it, and when you tell them, instead of going "oops, I missed an apostrophe" (which, let's be honest, is a perfectly forgivable mistake!) they come out all guns blazing asking how on earth you dare question the integrity of their incorrect language use.

I hasten to add that I make as many spelling & grammatical mistakes as anyone else (probably more), but that doesn't stop the correct rule from being pointed out.

Anyway, as I said in the post above; you add an s, (or an es as the case may be). For lens, I take it to be "lenses". Unless there's some other obscure semi-Latin rule that I don't know about.

Buuuuut there we go. A long post about grammar. Waheeey! I doubt anyone's still here reading this. :sleepy: :cuppa:

Rampvan wrote:Your spelling of "Daily Mail" is incorrect :facepalm:


Factually, I don't consider that it is. They fail at a rate which is daily.
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 06 Jan 2018, 3:12 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42589965/explosion-as-two-planes-collide-in-toronto-pearson
Explosion as two planes collide in Toronto Pearson

Two planes crashed into each other at Toronto's Pearson Airport, Canada. The passengers and crew were evacuated unharmed.
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Postby Gonzo230 on Sun 07 Jan 2018, 4:51 pm

Yes, looks like an explosion to me...........
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Brevet Cable on Sun 07 Jan 2018, 5:07 pm

Not forgetting the sensationalist use of "collide" & "crashed into each other", when the truth is that the WestJet aircraft was stationary & the Sunwing aircraft was being pushed back by a ground tug.
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Postby MicrolightDriver on Sun 07 Jan 2018, 6:23 pm

I don't see the sensationalism in it really. Genuinely alarming stuff for those involved I would imagine.
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby CJS on Sun 07 Jan 2018, 10:54 pm

No doubt MicrolightDriver, but you'll have to concede that it's fairly ott language to use in the reporting afterwards.

Technically it might be accurate, but there's a fair old range of "explosion" and "collision" isn't there?!
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby Gonzo230 on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 7:40 am

MicrolightDriver wrote:I don't see the sensationalism in it really. Genuinely alarming stuff for those involved I would imagine.


Exactly. There was an explosion, there was a collision.

Pretty accurate report, really.
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Re: Honk! Honk! Idiot klaxon.

Postby MicrolightDriver on Mon 08 Jan 2018, 8:14 am

CJS wrote:No doubt MicrolightDriver, but you'll have to concede that it's fairly ott language to use in the reporting afterwards.

Technically it might be accurate, but there's a fair old range of "explosion" and "collision" isn't there?!


Sorry, having just watched it again I actually think it's more balanced than I'd initially thought!

The descriptions are factually accurate and appear over the actual footage as it plays out for the viewer to watch for directly for themselves. No embroidery along the lines of 'huge fireballs engulfing', or 'passengers screaming in terror', or that people 'feared catastrophe'.

Other descriptions of the event are available. Excerpts from CBC News for instance:-

'It was chaos'

When the planes struck, amusement turned to panic on board WestJet's Boeing 737-800, according to passenger Gustavo Lobo.

"Out of nowhere there was an audible crunch and the plane rocked slightly," Lobo told CBC News. "We looked out the window and saw that the plane had backed up into us. Everyone was a little shocked and kind of chuckling at the situation."

They didn't laugh for long, he said.

"Panic set in when [we saw] what seemed to be fuel spewing from the crash. After a couple of seconds the entire thing ignited and it was chaos inside the plane. People screaming and panicking all while the flight attendants shouted to try and control the situation."

Lobo took a video of the fire, and said eventually everybody slid down the emergency slides to safety, though the process was slowed by passengers who insisted on taking their carry-on luggage with them.

Fire and smoke

Ali Alagheband, also on the flight with his wife and 12-year-old son, said a "big ball of fire" lit up the right-side windows just seconds after the plane rattled with the force of the collision.

"Everybody was saying the F-word and screaming," Alagheband said, adding that he mostly stayed calm until black smoke seeped into cabin.

"The flight attendants kept saying 'remain seated, remain seated,'" he recalled. Fearing they'd soon be gasping for air and stuck on the plane, he told his son to stay calm and wear an oxygen mask if they fell from the cabin's ceiling.

"There was fire and there was fuel in that wing," he said. A mechanical engineer by trade, he could tell "it wasn't a good situation."

Nobody knew an evacuation was underway until a passenger stood on his seat and yelled that a door had opened, he said.

But as the crowd moved toward the door, some passengers blocked his family's escape.

"I was yelling at people reaching overhead to get their bags. It was ridiculous," he said. "I was literally yelling, 'Get the F off the plane."

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