RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 12:00 am

Mike wrote:
Brevet Cable wrote:Because unless I'm mistaken the same insipid yellow colour scheme was also one of those used on the WW1 aircraft used during training......

It's clear dope applied to uncoloured fabric, not 'insipid yellow', and all aircraft were finished that way until they thought it was a good idea to start applying camouflage later in the Great War. Nothing whatever to do with training. :roll:

Yep, because they never painted aircraft in any other colour during the early period, did they :roll:
It's insipid yellow....or are you trying to claim that it's completely colourless ?
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Mike on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 12:40 am

Brevet Cable wrote:Yep, because they never painted aircraft in any other colour during the early period, did they :roll:

No, they didn't.

For the benefit of the hard of thinking, let me repeat. All Brirish military aircraft were originally finished in clear doped fabric. Not painted. Really.

Later on, in 1916, PC10 (a greenish-brown finish) was applied to the upper surfaces of RFC aircraft on the Western Front, and PC12 (a more reddish colour, as applied to Shuttleworth's Bristol M.1c replica) in the Middle East. Undersurfaces generally remained in clear doped linen.

Trainer yellow was not introduced until a decade or so after the end of the Great War.

I see that you've branched out from talking utter bollocks about XH558 to talking utter bollocks about paint finishes on early British Aeroplanes; both are subjects you appear to know little or nothing about.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 1:03 am

My, you really do have a weed up your arse, don't you. :handbag:
How is dope applied, by the way ?
That's right, it's painted on.
Please feel free to continue your ranting, as yet again I find it highly entertaining.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby XP282 on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 8:52 am

BC.
I’m sorry to get involved but dope isn’t painted on. Paint is applied, and dope is applied. You can’t paint dope on as dope isn’t paint. If you applied a clear lacquer to aluminium would you say you painted it silver? It’s ok to admit you got it wrong some times!
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Wissam24 on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 9:24 am

Alright guys enough of the vitriol. Any more and the thread will be locked. Civility please
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Tommy on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 12:22 pm

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capercaillie wrote:That sort of thing, similar to the US Navy's centenary schemes applied across the fleet would be awesome to see. Like you I don't see it happening, although there should be no harm in painting a few airframes destined for retirement in the short term. Tucano in silver/dayglo and one in yellow, Tornado in Lancaster bomber command colours, another perhaps in coastal command colours, King Air in red/white/grey, Hercules as you mention in light stone/dark earth, dig a Tranche 1 Typhoon out and paint it up in 11sqn silver Lightning scheme. Some imagination would go a long way.

A full proposal for such a scheme was put forward, with 25 airframes in a series of 'retro' colour schemes, including those such as you suggested. But AFAIK the proposal has not been followed through.


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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 1:04 pm

Wissam24 wrote:Alright guys enough of the vitriol. Any more and the thread will be locked. Civility please

My apologies. :oops:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby The Baron on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 2:21 pm

Wissam24 wrote:Alright guys enough of the vitriol. Any more and the thread will be locked. Civility please


A bit heavy handed for what I'm sure most would consider a healthy discussion...
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby jasonT1981 on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 2:22 pm

I would really like them to keep the Tucano special scheme next year. It is a fantastic look which represents the Belfast Telegraph Spitfire fund. I doubt we will get many full schemes, but mostly special tails. I would like the return of a GINA type Typhoon though.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Brevet Cable on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 2:53 pm

The Baron wrote:
Wissam24 wrote:Alright guys enough of the vitriol. Any more and the thread will be locked. Civility please


A bit heavy handed for what I'm sure most would consider a healthy discussion...

Perfectly justified in my case......I'll admit that I was bored & indulging in a bout of WUMing.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Andover on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 9:45 pm

For RAF100, Cosford ought to paint their VC10 in its former transport colours, and the Herc in former green/grey camo. :smile:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby toom317 on Mon 11 Dec 2017, 11:19 pm

Andover wrote: and the Herc in former green/grey camo. :smile:


They were in sand and brown, with white over the cockpit, long before they were green/grey. (As were the Andovers :smile: )
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby centaurus18 on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 1:17 am

In an ideal world and budgets allowing, a Chinook would look great in the old style camouflage!
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby King Cobra on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 8:40 am

capercaillie wrote:The Blue Phantoms were awful and looked like they'd been painted with a stick. The 19sqn one didn't make much sense anyhow and 92 sqn is defunct, which is why the other one wore the scheme. Same goes for 111 sqn being defunct, albeit Black Mike had a superb professional look.

If you're going to paint aircraft it should have some relevance to the unit or aircraft and not because something was painted like that for a completely different reason years ago. When the Tornado retires a part camo, part grey tear scheme with all the previous squadron operators on the massive tail canvas would suffice.

The problem next year is that it is 100 years of the RAF and not just the squadrons, many of which have already had their centenary schemes. So the most likely is a 100 years of RAF scheme on a display Typhoon and some stickers similar to the recent 60 years of Luftwaffe paraded on the German stuff plastered over the rest, with the Reds having a new 100 years fin.


Correction, they were superb. As for the 19 sqd one not making sense, it may have escaped your notice that the Cod Quad's colours are blue and white so a blue F-4 was appropriate. As for 92 being defunct, it wasn't at the time XV408 was painted blue and the scheme made reference to both 92's Blue Diamond days as well as it's Lightning era. A quite fitting scheme to mark the Cobras disbandment at the time.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby st24 on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 10:06 am

toom317 wrote:
They were in sand and brown, with white over the cockpit, long before they were green/grey. (As were the Andovers :smile: )

Ahem, Light Stone, Dark Earth..... :biggrin:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Ruislip Rustler on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 12:50 pm

The is something planned involving multiple aircraft types, but no full re-paints as I understand it as the senior Air Heads are mindful of the fact that some serving members don't exactly have the best accommodation to live in and don't want to be seen as frittering cash away unnecessarily.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby zigzag on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 3:14 pm

st24 wrote:Ahem, Light Stone, Dark Earth..... :biggrin:


In other words

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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby farnboroughrob on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 3:15 pm

I would like to see a Hawk , Tucano, and a Tornado painted in the schemes they entered service in. A C-130 in grey/green camo, a Voyager in Transport Command grey/white. Nice to see a helicopter in a special scheme too, rather than the chinook tails. A arctic scheme Puma would be nice.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby st24 on Tue 12 Dec 2017, 8:43 pm

zigzag wrote:
st24 wrote:Ahem, Light Stone, Dark Earth..... :biggrin:


In other words

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Humbrol 29

:biggrin:


So you are a number cruncher - I knew it!! :grin:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Andover on Wed 13 Dec 2017, 8:33 pm

The Herc served far longer in the 'northern climes' camo than desert camo.

Humbrol 29 is too light for the sand 'n' sh!t ( :lol: ) scheme.
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby st24 on Wed 13 Dec 2017, 10:40 pm

Andover wrote:The Herc served far longer in the 'northern climes' camo than desert camo..


Just trying to work out when they lost the NATO camo.. Entered service in '67 in "mid East" camo and I think the last on was repainted in 1980 so 13 years or so. First NATO camo was 1977 until '94/5ish?? so 14/15 years?? :dunno:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby Andover on Thu 14 Dec 2017, 12:29 am

I think actually (just to be picky) the first green/grey was 1975, first all-over grey was 1992, (not sure when all-over green started) and last green/grey was 2000, when they were part-exchanged in US. :smile:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby SPLAT on Thu 14 Dec 2017, 12:06 pm

How about a Sentinel with a 56F squadron Pheonix on the tail and a flash under the cockpit and a fully black Typhoon with a golden Simon Templar man
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby capercaillie on Thu 14 Dec 2017, 12:50 pm

SPLAT wrote: a fully black Typhoon with a golden Simon Templar man


Why? A Tutor perhaps. :question:
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Re: RAF 100 anniversary colour schemes

Postby SPLAT on Thu 14 Dec 2017, 2:25 pm

Just thought the 16 Sqdn Saint would look smart on a Tyhphoon!
As an aside , would also like to see a Voyager in the white top with blue flash going through , like the old VC10'S
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