Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby iainpeden on Fri 13 Apr 2018, 7:49 am

I volunteer at Duxford and we get many interesting conversations.

There was a U3A party from Swindon there yesterday and late in the afternoon I was chatting to a lady in her later years who was looking for a Meteor and a Sea venom; she had been in the WRENs and had flown in both a number of times.

I was able to show her the Meteor in "our" hangar (4) and took her over to see the Sea Venom in Hangar 3- and there it was gone. I asked around but could get no info on what had happened to it. A Google search hasn't helped so any ideas?

I'd like to try to get in touch with her to let her know.
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby rockfordstone on Fri 13 Apr 2018, 8:09 am

a quick search on google seems to suggest it has been in the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow for at least a couple of years. that said, i'm sure there is someone more knowledgeable than me that will know for sure
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby jalfrezi on Fri 13 Apr 2018, 8:12 am

It was acquired by the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow, along with the Amiot Toucan (Ju52), where it is now on display.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby iainpeden on Fri 13 Apr 2018, 8:19 am

Many thanks- I'll now try to let the lady know through U3A. Her buddy (also lady in her later years) started talking about ejector seats in early Meteors not being powerful enough to clear the tail and then let on that she had flown in Vampires and had been a loadmaster on RAF Comets and VC-10s. I took a photo of the pair of them in front of the Vampire.
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby AARDVARK on Fri 13 Apr 2018, 10:43 pm

Speaking of missing airframes I visited Duxford on Wednesday and was surprised to see the F100 has disappeared from the American Air Museum ?
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Marathon Milkshake on Sat 14 Apr 2018, 1:41 am

Its gone back to the states with the T-33
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby AARDVARK on Sat 14 Apr 2018, 6:09 am

Marathon Milkshake wrote:Its gone back to the states with the T-33


Thanks for info,that’s a shame,was the T33 in there aswell,jeez my memories bad lol!
Assuming they were only on loan for so many years?
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby AMB on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 1:09 pm

Why is Duxford losing all these airframes? What on earth would the Polish Aviation Museum want with a Sea Venom?? :wat:
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Pen Pusher on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 1:33 pm

The Amiot Toucan and Venom left 5 years ago. Do keep up. :biggrin:

They were sold as they don't fit in with the IWM policy of collecting 'Large Objects' that took part in war's/conflicts. Same reason the Typhoon, which is a development aircraft, is being replaced by the Tornado GR4 which has operational history.

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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Ken Shabby on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 5:31 pm

Pen Pusher wrote:The Amiot Toucan and Venom left 5 years ago. Do keep up. :biggrin:

They were sold as they don't fit in with the IWM policy of collecting 'Large Objects' that took part in war's/conflicts. Same reason the Typhoon, which is a development aircraft, is being replaced by the Tornado GR4 which has operational history.

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The Sea Venom took part in the Suez Conflict so does that mean it should qualify?
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Pen Pusher on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 7:08 pm

The Sea Venom that was at Duxford was a trials aircraft and never saw Squadron use.

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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Amp on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 10:09 pm

Iain, it is disheartening that you could not find anyone at Duxford who knew of the aircraft. I thought that the uniformed chaps there (in the past anyway) were aircraft buffs and carried a wealth of such knowledge in their heads. Is this a sign of the times and no longer the case? I hope I am wrong in questioning this!
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby capercaillie on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 9:39 am

Pen Pusher wrote:The Amiot Toucan and Venom left 5 years ago. Do keep up. :biggrin:

They were sold as they don't fit in with the IWM policy of collecting 'Large Objects' that took part in war's/conflicts. Same reason the Typhoon, which is a development aircraft, is being replaced by the Tornado GR4 which has operational history.

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What crap. So TSR2, Lightning, Javelin, Phantom, Jaguar etc are all going to be turfed out as well in future? :dunno:
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby MiG_Eater on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 10:39 am

Yes this is a really ridiculous idea. What a shame Duxford's terminal decline seems to continue on and on! At least we had the glory days in the 90s where you could actually get a good look at the various aircraft away from the clutter that pervades now.
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby AARDVARK on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 10:45 am

It’s good to see the Victor finally getting the TLC is needs,lengthy job but one that will be well worth it!
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby MiG_Eater on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 10:48 am

I agree with you there, but surely the Victor will be leaving since it hasn't technically been part of any active conflict(?)
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Pen Pusher on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 11:01 am

MiG_Eater wrote:but surely the Victor will be leaving since it hasn't technically been part of any active conflict(?)


From IWM Web site-
XH648 was delivered to RAF Cottesmore on 11th May 1961 to join 15 Squadron. Flown as part of the Far East Air Force during the confrontation with Indonesia in 1962-63 it was the only Victor to drop 35 1000lb bombs at the same time over the Song Song area.


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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby farnboroughrob on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 11:04 am

They still have a lengthy disposal list, no airframes but plenty of engines. https://www.iwm.org.uk/sites/default/fi ... posals.pdf

I believe the Storch also left, as well as the F-105? IWM does not have a great track record when it comes to disposals, remember the Varsity and T-29? Both delivered straight out of service, fell out of favor and left to rot before the inevitable scraping.
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby MiG_Eater on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 11:06 am

Pen Pusher wrote:
MiG_Eater wrote:but surely the Victor will be leaving since it hasn't technically been part of any active conflict(?)


From IWM Web site-
XH648 was delivered to RAF Cottesmore on 11th May 1961 to join 15 Squadron. Flown as part of the Far East Air Force during the confrontation with Indonesia in 1962-63 it was the only Victor to drop 35 1000lb bombs at the same time over the Song Song area.


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I stand corrected! Very interesting... though I still think it's a stupid way to operate an air museum...
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby rdchawk on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 11:07 am

Surprised no-one has wanted that Climax Generator :grin:
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby capercaillie on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 11:08 am

rdchawk wrote:Surprised no-one has wanted that Climax Generator :grin:


I shudder to think how much it would cost? :hypno:
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Marathon Milkshake on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 4:24 pm

AARDVARK wrote:
Marathon Milkshake wrote:Its gone back to the states with the T-33


Thanks for info,that’s a shame,was the T33 in there aswell,jeez my memories bad lol!
Assuming they were only on loan for so many years?


Far as I'm aware all the aircraft in the AAM are on loan, except maybe the plastic P-51 and the F-4. As an asside the collecting policy at Duxford is very very stupid, the AAM has been offered over the last 20 years or so, F-16, A-4, F-14, A-7, supposedly F-117 (unverified) all turned down. A number of years ago they were also offered an F-105G and an F-4C, both of those airframes were scrapped. The F-105 that went to Poland should have stayed. Last I heard the USAFM people are aware of Duxford's collecting pollicy and no more aircraft will be offered for display until the situation is resolved.

Theres just no point even mentioning the F-86!!

farnboroughrob wrote:They still have a lengthy disposal list, no airframes but plenty of engines. https://www.iwm.org.uk/sites/default/fi ... posals.pdf


Judging by whats on that list the Land Warfare Hall will be empty soon, obviously everything is going to be replaced by interactive screens and crap to keep children amused for 3 seconds
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Pen Pusher on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 4:34 pm

Marathon Milkshake wrote: Last I heard the USAFM people are aware of Duxford's collecting pollicy and no more aircraft will be offered for display until the situation is resolved.


Strange as they have just taken delivery of a new USAF exhibit.

One of the reasons planes like the F-16, A-4, F-14, A-7 etc., were turned down was because there was no where at Duxford to put them. Same why the Hercules and Nimrod were turned down.

the Land Warfare Hall will be empty soon, obviously everything is going to be replaced by interactive screens and crap to keep children amused for 3 seconds


Bit difficult when it wont be there.

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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby MiG_Eater on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 4:36 pm

What an absolute travesty.

I used to love the land warfare hall as a child... It seems museums are all going the same way as modern education - instruction rather than discovery.
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Re: Duxford Sea Venom - location?

Postby Marathon Milkshake on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 4:57 pm

Pen Pusher wrote:
Marathon Milkshake wrote: Last I heard the USAFM people are aware of Duxford's collecting pollicy and no more aircraft will be offered for display until the situation is resolved.


Strange as they have just taken delivery of a new USAF exhibit.

One of the reasons planes like the F-16, A-4, F-14, A-7 etc., were turned down was because there was no where at Duxford to put them. Same why the Hercules and Nimrod were turned down.

the Land Warfare Hall will be empty soon, obviously everything is going to be replaced by interactive screens and crap to keep children amused for 3 seconds


Bit difficult when it wont be there.

Brian


Note the words "last I heard" and the LWH going? that is news to me, when will that be happening?
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