Most influential aircraft company?

Most influential aircraft company?

Postby CJS on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 2:07 pm

OK, I'm not sure if influential is the right word, but I was looking through this book last night https://www.dk.com/uk/book/978140936480 ... craft-book (and mighty fine it is too) and it occurred to me just what an extraordinary range of aircraft Lockheed (in various guises) has produced over the years:

Model 10 Elektra
P-38 Lightning
Super Constellation
P-80 Shooting Star
C-130 Hercules
F-104 Starfighter
C-5 Galaxy
F-117 Nighthawk
SR-71 Blackbird
P-3 Orion
Tristar
F-22 Raptor
F-35 Lightning II

And the list goes on - Hudson, Ventura...

Are there any other manufacturers who can lay claim to a more prolific AND successful output I wonder? :dunno:
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby jalfrezi on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 2:21 pm

There are not many companies as old as Lockheed that are still trading with their original names, most have been absorbed into new companies. I guess some of the Russian manufacturers like Mikoyan or Tupolev come close, but they don't have the breadth of different airframe types that Lockheed do.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Wissam24 on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 2:24 pm

Boeing. Defined modern day commercial jet travel as we know it. I don't think anything has come close to that level of impact.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Jakesplanes on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 2:27 pm

I will always consider Hawker my favourite company. From prewar biplanes to the Harrier via the Hurricane, Sea Fury and Hunter. And all under the watchful eye of Sir Sydney Camm, one of my great heroes. And unlike American firms like Lockheed, the above were all built under poverty conditions, in a shed.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Domvickery on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 2:29 pm

Wissam24 wrote:Boeing. Defined modern day commercial jet travel as we know it. I don't think anything has come close to that level of impact.


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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby cg_341 on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 3:13 pm

jalfrezi wrote:There are not many companies as old as Lockheed that are still trading with their original names, most have been absorbed into new companies.

You mean like "Lockheed Martin"? ;)
jalfrezi wrote:I guess some of the Russian manufacturers like Mikoyan or Tupolev come close, but they don't have the breadth of different airframe types that Lockheed do.

Mikoyan has had so many names and been merged in to so many companies it's quite amazing. They're currently called Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG. Tupolev, officailly Joint Stock Company Tupolev, are just as bad, however they've existed in some form or other since 1922, and a few of their early acheivements...

  • One of the first all metal aircraft in the world
  • One of the first all-metal monoplanes in the world
  • The first monoplane bomber, in 1925
Since then they've built everything from propeller-powered wooden biplanes, metal transport aircraft, fighters, bombers; jet-powered bombers and transport aircraft; flying boats; supersonic transports and bombers; UAVs; actual boats(!); and more. Oh, and they're still designing things! Quite an amazing company when you look in to them.

Wissam24 wrote:Boeing. Defined modern day commercial jet travel as we know it. I don't think anything has come close to that level of impact.

I think you may be right, but oh so many times Boeing came close to buggering it all up with cancellations (SST vs 747), compromises (airlines vs 727), and inaction (A321LR vs 757 replacement), CSeries nonsense, etc.!

Of course, Boeing Commercial Airplanes now aren't the company they were - purchasing Rockwell and McDonnell Douglas changed how Boeing looked at commercial air transport, but it also nearly crippled them - Condir and Stonecipher decide to buy back stock for example! Stonecipher then refusing to buy Embraer, and having Bombardier refuse to be bought out, kept them out of the RJ market.

Of course, does any of this matter? Probably not. The 737NG and the A320 series have made air travel so affordable, so easy, and so normal, that it's hard to say anyone other than Boeing and Airbus are the most influential aircraft companies.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Berf on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 3:14 pm

de Havilland - Defined modern day commercial jet travel with the Comet and the lessons learned about jet age travel and problems which were learned by Boeing which was able to follow it through. Also responsible for the trainer that every UK second world war pilot trained on.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby FarnboroJohn on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 3:30 pm

De Havilland has a claim:

Airco DH2, DH4, DH9A; then under the de Havilland marque, the Moth series; Rapides/Dragons etc; Comet Racer; Albatross and Flamingo airliners; Mosquito, Dove, Heron, Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen, Comet airliner, DH 121 Trident, DH125 executive jet and one whose origin I hadn't even suspected: the DH146. In Canada, the Chipmunk, Beaver, Otter, Twin Otter, Dash 7 and 8.

Not to mention the engines: Gypsy series pistons and Ghost, Goblin and Gyron Junior jets. Even the Firestreak missile that was the Lightning's main armament!

Boeing... meh.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby verreli on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 3:40 pm

Cessna - They've made more aircraft than any other.
Boeing - Used by more than any other.

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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Brevet Cable on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 4:38 pm

Fokker.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby CJS on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 4:55 pm

He's not that bad.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby borismorris on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 5:24 pm

CJS wrote:He's not that bad.


:rofl:

Thats tickled me :biggrin:
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby verreli on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 5:36 pm

Reminds me of an old story.

Teacher: Today class was have a special guest. Wing Cdr Biggles was a spitfire pilot in the war. He's here to tell you some old war stories.
Biggles: Hello class. It's true, I was involved in many dogfights in the war. I remember this time when I saw these fokkers...
Teacher: Class, a Fokker was a type of German aircraft.
Biggles: Like I was saying, I remember this time when I saw these fokkers in Messerschmitts coming out of the sun...
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Tmyers123 on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 7:06 pm

verreli wrote:Reminds me of an old story.

Teacher: Today class was have a special guest. Wing Cdr Biggles was a spitfire pilot in the war. He's here to tell you some old war stories.
Biggles: Hello class. It's true, I was involved in many dogfights in the war. I remember this time when I saw these fokkers...
Teacher: Class, a Fokker was a type of German aircraft.
Biggles: Like I was saying, I remember this time when I saw these fokkers in Messerschmitts coming out of the sun...


:lmao:
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby borismorris on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 7:30 pm

verreli wrote:Reminds me of an old story.

Teacher: Today class was have a special guest. Wing Cdr Biggles was a spitfire pilot in the war. He's here to tell you some old war stories.
Biggles: Hello class. It's true, I was involved in many dogfights in the war. I remember this time when I saw these fokkers...
Teacher: Class, a Fokker was a type of German aircraft.
Biggles: Like I was saying, I remember this time when I saw these fokkers in Messerschmitts coming out of the sun...


https://youtu.be/-8Yf5B6GbYk
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Ryan. on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 9:13 pm

Although certainly not my favourite, I don't think it can be argued Boeing hasn't been the most influential.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby CJS on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 9:40 pm

With civil stuff perhaps, but not militarily surely?
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Tmyers123 on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 10:10 pm

CJS wrote:With civil stuff perhaps, but not militarily surely?


Easily Lockheed when it comes to military. But both civil and military, probably Boeing IMO.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby cg_341 on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 10:12 pm

CJS wrote:With civil stuff perhaps, but not militarily surely?

B-17, B-29, B-52, Apache, Chinook, Osprey, F-15, F-18, KC-135, C-17, E-3, E-4 and VC-25, and some missiles.

Ok, some of them carry the Boeing name through acquisition, which may or may not count..?!
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Puddlejumper on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 11:30 pm

Wright Brothers. First to fly a powered aircraft, first to repeatedly build to the same design. After that, everyone else is copying.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby verreli on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 11:40 pm

Sir George Cayley - Yorkshireman - Father of aviation. Taught the Wright Brothers all they knew...
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby CJS on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 5:26 am

cg_341 wrote:
CJS wrote:With civil stuff perhaps, but not militarily surely?

B-17, B-29, B-52, Apache, Chinook, Osprey, F-15, F-18, KC-135, C-17, E-3, E-4 and VC-25, and some missiles.

Ok, some of them carry the Boeing name through acquisition, which may or may not count..?!


It's an impressive list for sure.
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby Puddlejumper on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 6:46 am

verreli wrote:Sir George Cayley - Yorkshireman - Father of aviation. Taught the Wright Brothers all they knew...


Definitely earlier, and acknowledged by the Wrights as influential, but not a manufacturer, a serial builder of prototypes, and I don't believe he ever established a Company. Doesn't fit the question, so can't be the answer. :biggrin:
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby CJS on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 8:18 am

Puddlejumper wrote:
verreli wrote:Sir George Cayley - Yorkshireman - Father of aviation. Taught the Wright Brothers all they knew...


Definitely earlier, and acknowledged by the Wrights as influential, but not a manufacturer, a serial builder of prototypes, and I don't believe he ever established a Company. Doesn't fit the question, so can't be the answer. :biggrin:


Have to agree there, you may as well say Icarus :grin: :joystick: :hide:
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Re: Most influential aircraft company?

Postby verreli on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 9:35 am

Puddlejumper wrote:
verreli wrote:Sir George Cayley - Yorkshireman - Father of aviation. Taught the Wright Brothers all they knew...


Definitely earlier, and acknowledged by the Wrights as influential, but not a manufacturer, a serial builder of prototypes, and I don't believe he ever established a Company. Doesn't fit the question, so can't be the answer. :biggrin:


Alas, you are right. If ever there was a case of someone being born ahead of his time, he is it. If he'd been born a mere 60 years later, Yorkshire would have been the location for the first powered controlled flight and who knows what would have progressed from there.
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