Jaguar returning to flight?
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Depends how you define 'recently'
SWAFHF Viggen & Draken appeared at Waddington in 2014.
SWAFHF Viggen & Draken appeared at Waddington in 2014.
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CJS wrote:LN Strike Eagle wrote:We've had civilian-owned and operated afterburning jets operating on these shores before with the SwAFHF. I don't think afterburners are the issue they're made out to be, provided the aircraft has a suitable safety record and can be maintained to the required standard.
The Swedes just flew to Scampton, parked and then flew home again didn't they? If AB was used for take off it would only have been over the runway. Has any civilian jet used AB in a display recently (ever?)?
I'm discounting any appearances in the Channel Islands or at seaside shows by the way.
They flew the Viggen and Tunnan at Waddington 2013.
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Drakken flew at Ayr in '15. Over the sea though admittedly.
Inagine that though..Jaguar at Rhyl
Inagine that though..Jaguar at Rhyl
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Surely unless the plan would be to put it on a non-UK register, the argument that non-UK registered aircraft did or did not display in the UK is irrelevant?
If the plan would be to put it on the UK register, I'd have thought the biggest stumbling block wouldn't be whether or not the engines are equipped with afterburners even if they were subsequently disabled.
It would be the fact that it would almost certainly be classified as 'complex' in the same way that XH558 was.
This would mean that they'd need to have OEM / OEM-approved support ( as per XH558 )....does anyone really think that would be forthcoming?
If the plan would be to put it on the UK register, I'd have thought the biggest stumbling block wouldn't be whether or not the engines are equipped with afterburners even if they were subsequently disabled.
It would be the fact that it would almost certainly be classified as 'complex' in the same way that XH558 was.
This would mean that they'd need to have OEM / OEM-approved support ( as per XH558 )....does anyone really think that would be forthcoming?
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Re: Jaguar returning to flight?
LN Strike Eagle wrote:CJS wrote:LN Strike Eagle wrote:We've had civilian-owned and operated afterburning jets operating on these shores before with the SwAFHF. I don't think afterburners are the issue they're made out to be, provided the aircraft has a suitable safety record and can be maintained to the required standard.
The Swedes just flew to Scampton, parked and then flew home again didn't they? If AB was used for take off it would only have been over the runway. Has any civilian jet used AB in a display recently (ever?)?
I'm discounting any appearances in the Channel Islands or at seaside shows by the way.
They flew the Viggen and Tunnan at Waddington 2013.
didn't know that.
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Re: Jaguar returning to flight?
Register the Jag with a Civil registration like the Norwegian Vampires & Mig-15, based in Norway, lives at North Weald for the summer! (with the Noggy Historic Flight, who operated Jaguars a lot? )
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To be fair, they didn't operate Mig-15s either.
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Norwegian MiG-15 is American registered. N104CJ.
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reheat module wrote:flashman8 wrote:Re the afterburner issue.........
Cant they just modify the throttle gate to stop the throttle going into the afterburners..............
Then it would need a 20 mile runway, downhill at 45°, Earth's curvature and a hurricane force headwind to have any chance go getting airborne with min fuel.
Those engines were not called 'hand dryers' for nothing...
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Those advocating it could fly here and referencing the viggen at Waddington, should remember that was pre Shoreham, and restrictions brought in regarding pilot proficiency since then.....
Re: Jaguar returning to flight?
It's certainly the most ambitious restoration project of a fairly unknown, outside of aviation circles, airframe.
Surely aiming to ground run the Jaguar is more sustainable and achievable future for the aircraft? Time will tell I suppose.
Surely aiming to ground run the Jaguar is more sustainable and achievable future for the aircraft? Time will tell I suppose.
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I just can't see a Jaguar ever making it back to flight in the UK. As already mentioned the CAA/OEM hurdles would be huge and you'd need someone with VERY deep pockets to finance it.
If it went on the display circuit, it would probably never cover the costs of flight and would always run at a loss. Maybe if it had some sort of military contract it could earn its keep, but is there a need for this type of jet when there's already Hunters around?
My own thoughts are it'll only ever be a ground runner at best, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
If it went on the display circuit, it would probably never cover the costs of flight and would always run at a loss. Maybe if it had some sort of military contract it could earn its keep, but is there a need for this type of jet when there's already Hunters around?
My own thoughts are it'll only ever be a ground runner at best, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
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I thought the plans of bringing back to flight a French Jaguar were cancelled, but I was wrong.
Some recent official info (in french) and some pics about this project can be found here : http://www.pilote-chasse-11ec.com/remise-en-vol-du-e23-point-de-situation/.
To summarize the milestones for those who don't have the privilege to understand this marvelous langage:
So, no technical or reglementary issues, but money is the ruler ...
Fingers crossed !
Some recent official info (in french) and some pics about this project can be found here : http://www.pilote-chasse-11ec.com/remise-en-vol-du-e23-point-de-situation/.
To summarize the milestones for those who don't have the privilege to understand this marvelous langage:
- Airframe E23 (twin seat) has been selected and officially handed in june 2015 to the "Conservatoire Français du Patrimoine Aéronautique" ("French Conservatory for Aeronautic Heritage")
- Mostly positive systems checks have been performed in june 2016
- It has been proven in june 2017 to be asbestos-free (very sensitive subject in France)
- Restoration can proceed, but financial resources must first be found
So, no technical or reglementary issues, but money is the ruler ...
Fingers crossed !
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Let’s not forget ,The Reheat in the Jag just made the jet louder,Not more thrust.
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blackcat wrote:Let’s not forget ,The Reheat in the Jag just made the jet louder,Not more thrust.
Sounds a bit like the turbo on the diesel engine in my Mrs' Peugeot 206 - pressing you right foot down didn't make it faster just noisier!
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Has anyone any further information on this ? a friend of mine saw it in the hangar a few months back and was asked not to photograph it...
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...and was asked not to photograph it
Doesn't inspire confidence really, does it?
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speedbird2639 wrote:...and was asked not to photograph it
Doesn't inspire confidence really, does it?
North Weald can be a bit touchy like that.
I have been over there a couple of times on proper open days and seen officials run over to tell people not to photograph what is in the hangars.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
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FGR2 wrote:speedbird2639 wrote:...and was asked not to photograph it
Doesn't inspire confidence really, does it?
North Weald can be a bit touchy like that.
I have been over there a couple of times on proper open days and seen officials run over to tell people not to photograph what is in the hangars.
I wouldn't read too much into it.
Only been to North Weald a couple of times and it isnt really any different from anywhere else that allows us access. Ive had mixed results at the hangars, but always allowed in to note whats there, not always allowed to take photos.
If we are not permitted to take photos, its not because they have something to keep secret, its because its someones property and they have a right to privacy.
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