Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Sun 14 May 2017, 6:00 pm

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LN Strike Eagle wrote:Anyone know if the Mustang is leaving today? Just read that he landed back after his display.


They've both departed.

Yeah, ta. I ended up being one of Peter's assistants back at North Weald to get the Mustang safely hangared. :biggrin:
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby The Baron on Sun 14 May 2017, 8:25 pm

LN Strike Eagle wrote:
The Baron wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:Anyone know if the Mustang is leaving today? Just read that he landed back after his display.


They've both departed.

Yeah, ta. I ended up being one of Peter's assistants back at North Weald to get the Mustang safely hangared. :biggrin:


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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:03 pm

And so, it starts.

The Star's "reporting" of it as a "DISASTER" is so laughable as to make a complete mockery of so-called journalism. They even mix up the two incidents!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614131/pilot-plane-nosedive-ground-crash-hospital-emergency-Abingdon-Air-Country-Show-Oxfordshire/amp

Just wait until the Mail get hold of it.

Bottom line is that two aeroplanes had problems, both pilots acted in the textbook manner to bring the machines down quickly and at no risk to the crowds. One pilot was hurt, nobody died. The rules and regulatory mechanisms worked as they should. Airshows remain, as they always have been, safe. Nothing to see here.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Pringles on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:16 pm

Twitter user @UKAirshowReview posted: "Avro 504 suffers engine failure on display debut".

Quality journalism, quoting a tweet referring to the wrong incident! :facepalm:
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby The Baron on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:43 pm

Unbelievable. Just what the industry needs.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby capercaillie on Mon 15 May 2017, 7:46 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote:And so, it starts.

The Star's "reporting" of it as a "DISASTER" is so laughable as to make a complete mockery of so-called journalism. They even mix up the two incidents!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614131/pilot-plane-nosedive-ground-crash-hospital-emergency-Abingdon-Air-Country-Show-Oxfordshire/amp

Just wait until the Mail get hold of it.

Bottom line is that two aeroplanes had problems, both pilots acted in the textbook manner to bring the machines down quickly and at no risk to the crowds. One pilot was hurt, nobody died. The rules and regulatory mechanisms worked as they should. Airshows remain, as they always have been, safe. Nothing to see here.



But "Pilot brings aircraft down safely, no one in danger" as a headline isn't going to sell any papers to the frogspawn masses who would prefer death and destruction. Are you surprised?
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby tuska2 on Mon 15 May 2017, 8:14 am

No we're not surprised at all, but a little bit of truth and balance on here can't do any harm, even if it doesn't do a lot of good! What it needs is a return to the days of football hooliganism, that kept the chip wrappers busy!
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Seahornet on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:20 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote: And so, it starts.

The Star's "reporting" of it as a "DISASTER" is so laughable as to make a complete mockery of so-called journalism. They even mix up the two incidents!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614131/pilot-plane-nosedive-ground-crash-hospital-emergency-Abingdon-Air-Country-Show-Oxfordshire/amp

Just wait until the Mail get hold of it.

Bottom line is that two aeroplanes had problems, both pilots acted in the textbook manner to bring the machines down quickly and at no risk to the crowds. One pilot was hurt, nobody died. The rules and regulatory mechanisms worked as they should. Airshows remain, as they always have been, safe. Nothing to see here.


I generally agree with everything you've said, but w.r.t. the twister incident: Low and slow with engine failure, I thought that a 180 back to the airfield was exactly what the textbook said NOT to do...? (Though I appreciate that in a particular situation, it might be the 'least worst' option!)
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Scampi on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:08 am

Is there an update on the pilots condition?
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Pringles on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:10 am

*Reasonably* calm reporting from the Heil, certainly could've been a lot worse:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:37 am

Pringles wrote:*Reasonably* calm reporting from the Heil, certainly could've been a lot worse:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crash.html


That's more or less a direct lift from the Oxford Mail's article of yesterday.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Pringles on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:51 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote:And so, it starts.

The Star's "reporting" of it as a "DISASTER" is so laughable as to make a complete mockery of so-called journalism. They even mix up the two incidents!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614131/pilot-plane-nosedive-ground-crash-hospital-emergency-Abingdon-Air-Country-Show-Oxfordshire/amp

Mind-boggling irony seeing that the author of that article tweeted this a few weeks ago:
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby tu16 on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:09 pm

Any comments on the actual display? New display line, acts, etc?
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby st24 on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:39 pm

Pringles wrote:
Dan O'Hagan wrote:And so, it starts.

The Star's "reporting" of it as a "DISASTER" is so laughable as to make a complete mockery of so-called journalism. They even mix up the two incidents!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/614131/pilot-plane-nosedive-ground-crash-hospital-emergency-Abingdon-Air-Country-Show-Oxfordshire/amp

Mind-boggling irony seeing that the author of that article tweeted this a few weeks ago:


The only incredible thing about the "incredible footage" is that people are still using mobile phones in "portrait " mode!! :mad: :facepalm:
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Ouragan on Tue 16 May 2017, 10:02 am

Ryan. wrote:
J.C Photography wrote:
Dan O'Hagan wrote:Wonder who'll be the first to sell their photos to the Daily Mail for tomorrow's sensationalised "The Shocking Moment A..." scare story?


That should be the least of our worries right now...


Doesn't mean it isn't a comment worth mentioning. Speculating on the sensationalism that will probably be in the newspapers with two incidents at one event, doesn't take away from thoughts and feelings from those affected.



'Thoughts and feelings from those affected'

What are you talking about? It was a well executed emergency belly landing, not a 747 plowing into a block of flats.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Ryan. on Wed 17 May 2017, 1:00 am

Ouragan wrote:
Ryan. wrote:
J.C Photography wrote:
Dan O'Hagan wrote:Wonder who'll be the first to sell their photos to the Daily Mail for tomorrow's sensationalised "The Shocking Moment A..." scare story?


That should be the least of our worries right now...


Doesn't mean it isn't a comment worth mentioning. Speculating on the sensationalism that will probably be in the newspapers with two incidents at one event, doesn't take away from thoughts and feelings from those affected.



'Thoughts and feelings from those affected'

What are you talking about? It was a well executed emergency belly landing, not a 747 plowing into a block of flats.


Whether it was well executed or not there will still be people affected. Most notably the pilot ending up in hospital and his family hearing of the incident.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Dan213 on Wed 17 May 2017, 10:34 am

Ouragan wrote:
Ryan. wrote:
J.C Photography wrote:
Dan O'Hagan wrote:Wonder who'll be the first to sell their photos to the Daily Mail for tomorrow's sensationalised "The Shocking Moment A..." scare story?


That should be the least of our worries right now...


Doesn't mean it isn't a comment worth mentioning. Speculating on the sensationalism that will probably be in the newspapers with two incidents at one event, doesn't take away from thoughts and feelings from those affected.



'Thoughts and feelings from those affected'

What are you talking about? It was a well executed emergency belly landing, not a 747 plowing into a block of flats.



The pilot was still injured, so yes, there is every right to say that. People will have been affected by this. Some people on this forum look to cause an argument over anything they can. It's pathetic
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby capercaillie on Wed 17 May 2017, 12:23 pm

I have to be honest, if that is what was said, I find it a very strange response. We expected problems?

So everytime a pilot displays at a new venue for them (in effect the same as displaying over a new display box) you expect a problem. If that's the case ban all airshows immediately. :dunno:
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby cg_341 on Wed 17 May 2017, 12:29 pm

Problems with the show, i.e. traffic issues, people getting lost, traders being in the wrong place, etc. Not problems with display aircraft.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby The Baron on Wed 17 May 2017, 4:13 pm

I had no issues with traffic and liked the layout. The issues I did have were a lack of urinals. Portaloos a-plenty, but no urinals (that I could see), and a couple clowns taking the PA system down before the end of the flying. Not just inconvenient and unhelpful but also dangerous as its used to pass on announcements to Joe.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby qwerty on Wed 17 May 2017, 6:06 pm

I enjoyed the show, fairly good traffic managment and an easy get away at the end around 1825. Despite the incidents it was a good commentary and several good static surprises.The great warbirds are a good act, glad the 504 crew ok. Shame about the Twister FL, hope the pilots recovers. I also found that static aircrew and stall holders were happy to chat and not hurried.Very lucky with the weather as the biggest downpours showers missed and only one dark cloud appeared near the extended end of the show.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Oldtower on Wed 17 May 2017, 8:13 pm

Capercaillie so do I as I never said it......

As Hampshire said,I ment ie new layout equals potential traffic issues etc etc which no thanks partly to a dud set of paid company officials did a not very good job for me & proved a point. The paper as yet again misquoted....and Baron if I found out what clowns took down the PA horns I would string them up,how dare they compromise our safety.
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby capercaillie on Thu 18 May 2017, 12:14 pm

Oldtower wrote:Capercaillie so do I as I never said it......

As Hampshire said,I ment ie new layout equals potential traffic issues etc etc which no thanks partly to a dud set of paid company officials did a not very good job for me & proved a point. The paper as yet again misquoted....and Baron if I found out what clowns took down the PA horns I would string them up,how dare they compromise our safety.


That's the problem with almost all media these days, you say something, then something else and then they twist it into an order that suits a story. I wouldn't even give them the time of day.

Cheers for clarifying. :up:
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Re: Abingdon Air & Country Show 2017

Postby Harvo266 on Thu 18 May 2017, 7:42 pm

Oldtower wrote:Capercaillie so do I as I never said it......

As Hampshire said,I ment ie new layout equals potential traffic issues etc etc which no thanks partly to a dud set of paid company officials did a not very good job for me & proved a point. The paper as yet again misquoted....and Baron if I found out what clowns took down the PA horns I would string them up,how dare they compromise our safety.

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