F1 2012

[Stuka]

Do tell me if I'm being thick, but in previous races when a driver has performed an illegal overtaking manoeuvre the FIA have been able to make an immediate decision based on the live footage and passed instructions via the team radio that he has to give the place back. I know it was near the end of the race but surely there would have been time to do this?

Good point, but I think it was a little too near the race end.

[DanH]

Do tell me if I'm being thick, but in previous races when a driver has performed an illegal overtaking manoeuvre the FIA have been able to make an immediate decision based on the live footage and passed instructions via the team radio that he has to give the place back. I know it was near the end of the race but surely there would have been time to do this?

Incidents that occur within the last 5 laps are always dealt with post-race.

Ah, that would explain it. Thanks.

If that's the case, it seems a little bit harsh on Vettel that an incident which at any other time in the race would have just meant relinquishing a single place has now cost him several. Surely it would have been fairer to give him a one place penalty Far too logical probably.

[LN Strike Eagle]

Do tell me if I'm being thick, but in previous races when a driver has performed an illegal overtaking manoeuvre the FIA have been able to make an immediate decision based on the live footage and passed instructions via the team radio that he has to give the place back. I know it was near the end of the race but surely there would have been time to do this?

Incidents that occur within the last 5 laps are always dealt with post-race.

Ah, that would explain it. Thanks.

If that's the case, it seems a little bit harsh on Vettel that an incident which at any other time in the race would have just meant relinquishing a single place has now cost him several. Surely it would have been fairer to give him a one place penalty Far too logical probably.

If you don't give the position back under normal race conditions, you would be given a drive through penalty. The post-race substitute for a drive through is 20s added to your time.

Red Bull will have known that McLaren had made the radio call, and that they'd flagged it up to the FIA - they could have just used their heads and given the position back and attempted to re-take it on the final lap. Jenson was pretty much a sitting duck, having run out of tyres.

It was clearly an illegal move - Christian Horner seemed to be watching a different replay to everyone else. Even if they failed to get the position back, the net result was a third place.

I don't think that's harsh - I knew what the penalty would be, so they must have known. They ran the risk and lost out.

[Stuka]

It was harsh on Seppi since Hamilton had messed about with him before ,costing him time...lawful as it was..

[LN Strike Eagle]

It was harsh on Seppi since Hamilton had messed about with him before ,costing him time...lawful as it was..

But that has nothing to do with this incident at all. Hamilton was legal. Vettel was not. The incidents were not linked.

The Hamilton incident is more to do with the current rules allowing it to happen - fresh tyres are much faster, and anyone can also get the DRS to the car infront, regardless of their race position. If Hamilton is on better tyres and has the DRS, why shouldn't he go back past? He's not obliged to sit behind a slower car, regardless if it is the race leader or an HRT.

[Danny]

Vettel should have given the place back on the track after the illegal overtake, he could have even had another go on the final lap.

[A40-BP]

If that's the case, it seems a little bit harsh on Vettel that an incident which at any other time in the race would have just meant relinquishing a single place has now cost him several. Surely it would have been fairer to give him a one place penalty Far too logical probably.

A one place penalty is not a punishment in the rulebook, therefore wont be given.

Vettel however just demonstrates again his maturity as a driver, unable to accept the fact he did wrong with Button, the team chose not to correct it, and then of course the farce with the interview post race regarding Hamilton. Im sorry if you think racing during a race is 'stupid' your in the wrong job son.

Unfortunately missed out on much of the race due to poor internet service here atm, so had to do with the BBC highlights (thanks again for that by the way, you really do know how to treat F1 fans ), but the parts of the race i did see looked like quite a good one. Shame for McLaren and Lewis, but at least the brought home some points. Great job by Alonso and Rosberg. I really do think Schumacher needs to bite the bullet and retire for good this year...

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[JackyRIATWilson]

Again, due to a combination of the lack of Sky TV and the fact I was in work when the race was on, I was forced to watch the BBC highlights.

Overall, I'm quite gutted Hamilton had to retire. He seemed to be mixing it up with the rest of them after being lapped (then he un-lapped himself).... which reminds me. Everyone; for a double world champion, how immature can Vettel be? How can he raise his arm and wave like a spoiled brat to a guy that can (and did) un-lap himself because of Vettel's lack of pace? It goes to show how much of a pathetic and childish team Red Bull are. They easily think they are better than everyone else - wrong. They've won 4 Championships (2 Drivers (Vettel) and 2 Constructors) and reckon they are it. Seem to remember Schumi winning 7 World Championships. Also, Christian Horner, it was an illegal move that Vettel carried out on Button at the end of Turn 6. The punishment fitted the crime, end of story.

Driver of the day - Sergio Perez. From a low grid position, he worked his way up the field impressively. A sure-fire candidate for the soon to be vacant co-driver for Alonso spot at Ferrari.

Jack.

[Stuka]

I would love to see Perez in the red car. It would be some line up.

[Ian G]

Unlapping hasn't happened for a while like it did on Sunday but I recall it happening in the early 90's and also Jos Verstappen unlapping himself at Hungary '94 which enabled him to get 3rd place. Completely within the rules so Vettel should wind his neck in, no case for him to moan at all.

I don't agree Schumacher should 'bite the bullet', he was pretty quick all weekend, it's just a shame that they don't sort that Mercedes out in race pace. Hungary should be interesting, not sure who I would be safe to place a bet on to win!

[Stuka]

I remember Irvine unlapping himself by overtaking Senna (Japan 93/94?) Senna rightly punched the upstart in the face after the race. The good old days....

[JackyRIATWilson]

I remember Irvine unlapping himself by overtaking Senna (Japan 93/94?) Senna rightly punched the upstart in the face after the race. The good old days....

Definitely wasn't Japan '94, Senna had been tragically killed earlier in the year at Imola '94. And Roland Ratzenberger.

[Stuka]

I remember Irvine unlapping himself by overtaking Senna (Japan 93/94?) Senna rightly punched the upstart in the face after the race. The good old days....

Definitely wasn't Japan '94, Senna had been tragically killed earlier in the year at Imola '94. And Roland Ratzenberger.

Of course, my mistake, it was the 1993 Japanese GP.

[A40-BP]

Well what can be said about the Hungarian GP? For me its only a throughly well deserved win by Lewis, and damn fine drive's by Kimi, Romain (sorry to say..), Alonso and Senna. Shame Button and Massa yet again couldnt deliver what they used to be capable of.. And then we come to Vettel... Well yet again he's shown what a pumpous immature divvie he really is! Commanding his team to 'do something' when he was unable to overtake Button (sounds familliar doesnt it), then postrace quoted to say his team need to 'work work work' to get to a better position, when if you look at the lap times once he was in clear air, he was much faster than most of the leading cars, thus if he had actually quallified in a decent position he wud have won with ease! Whilst the McLaren's cleary had the single lap pace, it was the Lotus's and Red Bull that had the race pace.

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[LN Strike Eagle]

Shame Button and Massa yet again couldnt deliver what they used to be capable of..

You mean like Jenson delivered last week in Germany? McLaren cost him with the gamble to switch to a three stop strategy.

[Tonka 617]

Very good performance from Lewis in Hungary, McLaren threw away a possible 1-2 by putting Jenson onto a 3 stopper and pitting him at bad times resulting in him stuck behind Senna, who had a brilliant weekend in my opinion.

Good weekend for the Lotus boys, although again missing that win which i feel they should have had by now... just lacking that extra something.

[planesgalaxxyclacton]

Well done Jenson . Romain Grosjean has been banned for the next race for the first corner incident .

[Tonka 617]

Flawless drive from Jenson today, just as question were being asked if he will play the 'team game', also a brilliant 1st pole for McLaren yesterday.

Scary incident into the 1st corner, seeing it from Alonso's car made me shiver, but again a clumsy mistake from Grosjean yet he shows signs of being a fantastic and very quick driver, if only these mistake would stop popping up. I fully agree with the 1 race ban, it could have ended a whole lot worse than it did particularly for Alonso

Looked promising for Schumacher today but again a problem with the gearbox and the car eating up its rear tyres, will Schumacher be on the grid next season? I personally hope so, he has proved he can still mix with the youngens and has the pace to fight at the front, he just needs the car to do so under him... the over take he made on Kimi into Les Combes was brilliant!

[FTS]

Well done Jenson . Romain Grosjean has been banned for the next race for the first corner incident .

Good! That accident was frightening! I'm not an Alonso fan but like I hope every fan of F1 is, was genuinely really concerned when he didn't get out of the car straight away. The onboard shot from Alonso's car is not comfortable viewing! I have to say I don't feel that Maldonardo's 10 place grid penalty has the same impact this season as it would have in recent years, when you've got drivers such as Rosberg starting in 23rd and finishing 11th. Where you qualifying this season doesn't seem to have that much an effect on your race result, more luck and tyre strategy. I think even Kobayashi said yesterday that they don't concentrate on their qualifying performance and instead focus on what tyres they'll be racing with on the sunday.

[Vodka]

I'm still trying to work out why on earth Lewis 'moaner' Hamilton decided to twitter pics of the telemetary of both his and JBs car on Saturday after quali? Well at least he doesn't have the argument they don't have a race winning car.

He doesn't need to just up his game, he needs to get his head out of his rectum vicinity. Will Vettel go to ferrari, leaving a space at Red Bull? Is that his game?

[beefer]

Does anyone know what Hamilton was carrying back to the pits after the crash?

[LN Strike Eagle]

Does anyone know what Hamilton was carrying back to the pits after the crash?

It was the end plate of the front wing with the cascade wing attached on the inside.

[DanO1978]

Hamilton's behaviour this weekend was not becoming of a Formula One driver. The petulant whines and indiscreet tweets, and the unspeakably rude "interview" he gave to Lee McKenzie.

He's a fast driver, but he'll never be a liked driver, either by his peers or the fans of the sport, until he grows up and behaves in the correct manner.

[LN Strike Eagle]

You tend to get that from him though - he's a sore loser and you don't ever feel as if he's being honest and open in the way that, say, Jenson Button or Mark Webber are. Try as I might, I just can't warm to the guy.

[DanO1978]

You tend to get that from him though - he's a sore loser and you don't ever feel as if he's being honest and open in the way that, say, Jenson Button or Mark Webber are. Try as I might, I just can't warm to the guy.

Schumacher and Alonso are known "sore losers" but both manage to conduct themselves with dignity and decorum.