Hamilton stripped of Belgian GP victory

[XH668]

An absolute quality race is ruined by the FIA again, all because Ferrari didn't win. I myself will not be watching anymore races and not follow the sport anymore, as time after time decisions go towards Ferrari. How can Hamilton ever win the title with the governing body against him.

He did nothing wrong, if he'd carried on he would've done more damage and probably have ended both his and Raikkonens race. He gave the spot straight back to Kimi.

Controversial and damn right wrong.

A p***ed off Former F1 fan.

Same here

[SHARKY 17]

There is only one thing this can be called,a joke sorry no a disgrace the FIA and the stewards should be shot at dawn.Ferrari have had there way much to long.I now am wondering if the F in FIA stands for a certain red team.

[boff180]

Absolutely dispicable.

I don't think anyone should bash Massa, afterall he had nothing to do with todays incident; he came second fair and square.. the fact that through other peoples corruption means he is now first is not his fault.

The stewards and Ferrari/Kimi on the other hand....

Hamilton played it by the rules; let him to the lead back so no advantage then went to pass again.

What I think should be investigated? Kimi's behaviour at the end of the start straight when Hamilton passed him again. From where I was sitting and my father agrees; looked like Kimi deliberately stuffed his wing into Hamiltons rear tyre to try and puncture it!

Andy

[LN Strike Eagle]

What I think should be investigated? Kimi's behaviour at the end of the start straight when Hamilton passed him again. From where I was sitting and my father agrees; looked like Kimi deliberately stuffed his wing into Hamiltons rear tyre to try and puncture it!

Nonsense. What an utterly rediculous statement.

[timuss]

A good race ruined by the stewards i hope the decsion is reversed but im not holding my breath.

[D200]

PETITION HERE:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?belgp08&1

.....and boy oh boy is it getting some additions at an amazing rate. There are a lot of hacked off people feeling very strong about this charade.

[Strikewolf]

What I cannot understand with this incident is it did not have any bearing or outcome to how the race finished - so imo the most Lewis should have got, if it was deemed he was in the wrong is a fine and a slap on the wrist.(Like Massa for his valencia incident- ). Kimi passed him anyhow when he had to dodge Rosberg so it was a bit academic even before Kimi then stuffed it !

A fantastic race at my favorite track ruined by a very strange and inconsistant decision

[Abingdonman]

I only saw the bit on the news but Lewis Hamilton clearly cut the corner....what happened after, might not have,had LH not gained that precious second

[DeanW]

I only saw the bit on the news but Lewis Hamilton clearly cut the corner....what happened after, might not have,had LH not gained that precious second

No one's arguing the fact he cut the corner and I doubt the fact that cut the corner actually gave him a huge advantage over Kimi! It's more to do with the fact that Hamilton was passed by Raikkonen before he overtook him again and then Raikkonen spun out so there would be no advantage gained from it anyway.

[hedgerowops]

Thank's d200 i,ve signed the pertion it's a joke they were all driving on the the limits of adhesion to do that to Lewis in those condition's stink's.
Chris

[andyxh558]

d200 shouldnt that list be

Curly
Larry
Moe!
well they act like them

Petition signed and although I love F1 I would rather watch moto gp nowadays as it doesn't have this bias to one team as F1 has.

[ChrisG]

Just about sums up F1 at the minute.

[andyxh558]

here is a picture of the Fia barstewards!:claypole:

[DanO1978]

Never mind, the Premier League is back next weekend...

[Abingdonman]

What i was suggesting was that, that second or so LH gained on the corner could have changed everything .....little tiny things can alter the whole future events completely,you cant just cancel it out and expect the same exact run of things afterwards.... if you know what i mean!

[Reptile 1]

F1 is to political now, bring back the old days when F1 was entertaining and people wanted to watch great races without all the politics that suround it now.

Now as for the advantage which i picked this up from BBC 606

How can he "still have an advantage" when a) he let Kimi pass him so was back to 2nd and b)was now behind him having been alongside him (if not a nose in front) at the chicane? Any chance you could explain how going from alongside to behind is gaining anything? Hamilton then repassed Kimi as he was weaving all over the track which culminated in him braking much earlier than Hamilton into Turn 1 (when rules state only one movement is premitted).

Footage from LH car, you can clearly hear him lifting off straight away for the Fin to overtake again

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yKQbjYkN-Rc

Keep the debate going for a while

[LN Strike Eagle]

Never mind, the Premier League is back next weekend...

More to the point, it's the Italian Grand Prix!

[DeanW]

Footage from LH car, you can clearly hear him lifting off straight away for the Fin to overtake again

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yKQbjYkN-Rc

Keep the debate going for a while

Exactly, you can actually tell that he's lifted off the gas to let Kimi go through. Also Mclaren have went through their data and it shows that the moment that the 2 cars crossed the start line, immediately after Hamilton came back onto the track, Raikkonen was infront and Hamilton was 6 km/h slower than Kimi so that he could get back into position behind him. It'll be interesting to see what the stewards say about this!

[Abingdonman]

But as a neutral,without a hint of bias
....wiithout cutting that corner LH may well not have been able to overtake when he did ,and the whole structure of the race might have altered.......
no,its no good they cant see it

[phreakf4]

But as a neutral,without a hint of bias
....wiithout cutting that corner LH may well not have been able to overtake when he did ,and the whole structure of the race might have altered.......
no,its no good they cant see it

Hamilton did not "cut the corner". That statement implies that he missed the chicane because of driver error. What happened, if you actually watch the recording, is that both Hamilton and Raikonnen had to avoid the re-joining Williams, and Hamilton was left with nowhere to go but over the chicane.

[Patchg]

All this emotion - It's only some ugly cars going round in a circle (mind you, Spa is the best circuit in F1)

Surely the FIA would want Hamilton to become champion as he is the biggest drawcard in the whole championship. The money they get off a world champion with a background like Hamilton would be more than Ferrari would be able to bribe them surely? All this conspiracy nonsense is just that - nonsense.

The stewards made a 'dodgy' call, it happens sometimes.

[Spock]

Load of rubbish this season is turning out to be now. Massa can't hold his head up & say he had a fair win, he's an arrogant pillock.

It's a bit rich for a Hamilton fan to be calling Massa arrogant!

What was he saying to Steve Ryder in the build up? "I'll never be passed around the outside again." Oh, what was that, on lap two today Lewis? That is arrogance!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Massa has claimed he deserved the victory today, or that he's proud of it, has he? He has no sway with the stewards - if they rule in his favour, so be it. Don't quite see how that makes him arrogant?

As I said we will agree to disagree.
For the record, i'm not a Hamilton fan, just want the sport to be fair & don't think it is at the moment, the punishments seem bias............

Trev

[eaglekepr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM

On a completely different note to the debate (not that there is much of a question on the incident) I miss Speed Channel....
Resume outrage

[Hellfire]

It was poorly reported on SS News initially. I thought he directly benefitted from the corner cutting. But it wasn't until later it showed the full incident. I can't understand how a 25 second penalty is justified especially when Hamilton gave the lead back to Kimi.

[LN Strike Eagle]

Hamilton did not "cut the corner". That statement implies that he missed the chicane because of driver error. What happened, if you actually watch the recording, is that both Hamilton and Raikonnen had to avoid the re-joining Williams, and Hamilton was left with nowhere to go but over the chicane.

Once again, you're thinking of the wrong incident.

It was Hamilton's attempted pass around the outside of the Bus Stop chicane (last corner). He then let Kimi back through momentarily on the pit straight before immediately picking up the tow and diving up the inside into turn one. This is I believe the "advantage" he gained; my understanding from another forum is that you're supposed to allow 1 or 2 corners after giving a place back before re-attemtping a pass.