General Election 2017

General Election 2017

Postby Hampshire Aviation on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:14 am

Oh yay, just what we need.

More seats for UKIP and Lib Dem, then?

Also, the term "snap election" is annoying me already.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:15 am

UKIP ?
Unlikely I'd have thought.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby TKK 140 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:17 am

Not before time, it will clear the air. Corbyn's toast.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby CJS on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:18 am

'snap election' has been around as a term for years. There will be far more annoying things to worry about.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby DerekF on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:18 am

May has done this for political reasons only. The very thing she accuses the opposition of doing.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:21 am

Liberal Democrats will get a lot of support if they campaign on the promise of a second referendum.

Tories *should* clean up, but given the train-wreck that is Labour, Corbyn will be lucky to finish third.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby CJS on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:22 am

Prime Minister calls election for 'political reasons only' shock :-o

Shrewd move on May's part to call it while Corbyn is still 'in charge' of Labour.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby farnboroughrob on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:32 am

Big surprise to pretty much everybody, but something that was needed IMHO. Am a Tory voter but not a massive fan of the PM. Could be a real watershed for labour? Lib-Dems will campaign hard on soft Brexit, or a second referendum. Will labour change its tune or still go along with support for a hard Brexit??? I can see a split in labour if they suffer a heavy defeat. All interesting stuff.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby DeltaPapa on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:34 am

Ermmmm... of course it is political - that's her job.

The best thing she could do IMHO.
Some of the other parties have already stated they will veto any final Brexit deal without knowing what what those terms will be. How democratic is that? Stop playing power games and unite for the country.

The Tories are at their highest in the opinion polls for years. I'm sure other parties in PM Mays position would do exactly the same. Clear the air and get on with it, which ever way the election goes.






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Re: General Election 2017

Postby DerekF on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:38 am

CJS wrote:Prime Minister calls election for 'political reasons only' shock :-o

Shrewd move on May's part to call it while Corbyn is still 'in charge' of Labour.



Oh, wait. I thought she was calling it have a clear mandate on Brexit, not to make political capital from the state of the opposition. Let's face it, if Labour had been 5 points behind, May would not have called an election.
Already by setting it up as a second referendum, May has created precisely the divisive conditions she tells us she was pains to avoid.

Unnecessary and divisive. A bit like the EU referendum.

DeltaPapa wrote: Stop playing power games and untie for the country.


Freudian slip if ever there was one.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:46 am

Well her statement primarily consisted of slagging off everyone she could think of, so she's already kicked off the politicking.

Wonder if there'll be a backlash against her from the pro-Remain Conservative voters ?
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Paul_Reflex on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:47 am

It shocks me that this is to be held four weeks after the upcoming local elections. Polls cost an enormous amount of money to conduct and a good proportion of that cost could have been saved by combining the two.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby CJS on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:50 am

As with worrying about an oft-used political term, I would suggest that the cost of running a few polls is the least of your worries :grin:

DerekF wrote:
CJS wrote:Prime Minister calls election for 'political reasons only' shock :-o

Shrewd move on May's part to call it while Corbyn is still 'in charge' of Labour.



Oh, wait. I thought she was calling it have a clear mandate on Brexit, not to make political capital from the state of the opposition. Let's face it, if Labour had been 5 points behind, May would not have called an election.
Already by setting it up as a second referendum, May has created precisely the divisive conditions she tells us she was pains to avoid.

Unnecessary and divisive. A bit like the EU referendum.



And these aren't political reasons in which way?
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:50 am

Paul_Reflex wrote:It shocks me that this is to be held four weeks after the upcoming local elections. Polls cost an enormous amount of money to conduct and a good proportion of that cost could have been saved by combining the two.

Ah, but if they held the GE any earlier it wouldn't give them much time to indulge in dirty tricks & negative-campaigning. :whistle: :wink:
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby DeltaPapa on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:51 am

DerekF wrote:
DeltaPapa wrote: Stop playing power games and untie for the country.


Freudian slip if ever there was one.



Haha yes indeed - post edited.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 10:53 am

Surprised she didn't call it for 2 days earlier....... :whistle:
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby CJS on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:05 am

I think DBH should have announced it at midday on Thursday.

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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:13 am

You forgot one.....
UKIP - Declined

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Re: General Election 2017

Postby CJS on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:17 am

:clown: :up: :lol: Nice one Brevet

Apparently Corbyn has 'welcomed the decision'. Yeah, course you have Jeremy. :wave: :surrender:
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Southendnick on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:22 am

TKK 140 wrote:Not before time, it will clear the air. Corbyn's toast.


With any luck burnt and crispy
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby speedbird2639 on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:32 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote:Liberal Democrats will get a lot of support if they campaign on the promise of a second referendum.

Tories *should* clean up, but given the train-wreck that is Labour, Corbyn will be lucky to finish third.


What would be the point of a 2nd referendum now? We've triggered A50 the only discussion is around whether we get a trade deal or not - either way in 23 months we are out on our ear.

Personally I think even if they ran a 2nd referendum all it would do would be to increase the 'Leave' vote. Why? I've spoken to several people who disagree with the idea of a 2nd ref and who have stated if one was called although they voted 'remain' in the 1st one they would vote 'leave' in the 2nd one to try to ensure the original 'Leave' decision was upheld. I've also spoken to people who voted 'remain' but have changed their mind and now support 'leave'. I've yet to meet anyone who voted 'leave' but has no got cold feet and would vote 'remain' if offered a 2nd chance.

Anyway - back to the GE - Tories are going to win this at a canter and take 100+ seats off Labour; Lib Dems are irrelevant now they are just a minority protest party for old people living in sheltered accommodation in Bournemouth; UKIP is in disarray and is irrelevant now A50 is triggered; Greens are a one issue party whose sole issue has been taken on board by the main parties (congestion charges; diesel scrappage etc) and the so called official opposition Labour have a leader who is loved by the party members (who seem to think that politics is some sort of 6th form project for minority interest groups) but not supported by his MPs and loathed by the electorate. North of the border the Scots are getting sick of Wee Jimmy Crankie and all her nonsense coupled with the fact their economy is in the toilet and is being steadily bankrupted by vanity projects such as free prescriptions and free uni places. This is the only area Labour may win some ground as a protest vote to send a message to Wee Nicola.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... l-election Normally you vote for the MP you choose in the hope that his/ her party will get enough seats to form a government but this time you really are just voting for your local MP - who is going to the government is already certain - the only unknown is the size of the (increased) majority.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby DerekF on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:34 am

Well the 48% have a chance to make their views known and show the Brexiteers that there is still a large degree of opposition to the "hard" Brexit that seems to be what they voted for last June.

A lot seem to be putting their faith in opinion polls. We all know what happens when you rely on those....

I wonder if Gideon "six-jobs" Osborne will stand in our constituency.
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:46 am

speedbird2639 wrote:Anyway - back to the GE - Tories are going to win this at a canter and take 100+ seats off Labour

You may be disappointed in that respect, if Wales is anything to go by.
A lot of voters here who usually vote for them didn't do so in the last GE & WA elections because "They've become too complacent & we wanted to give them a good kicking to wake them up"
Chances are that the majority of those will now go back to voting Labour.

There's also a possibility that the Conservatives will lose some of their voters because of May's favouring a 'hard BREXIT'
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Re: General Election 2017

Postby vandal on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 11:47 am

BBC Radio 2 had someone on just a few minutes ago talking about that she may well have a new Manifesto and that some of Mr Cameron's Election Promises are now probably going to be scrapped. Be interesting to see how that turns out.

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Re: General Election 2017

Postby Pat Murphy on Tue 18 Apr 2017, 12:12 pm

Great shot Tim Farron " a chance to have a decent strong opposition that we desperately need" settling for second place then? :roll:
I'm struggling to find anywhere to put my X.

Labour? In my opinion, unelectable with Mr Corbyn and Unite in charge
Tories? Hard Brexit right wingers ruling the day.
Lib Dems? Stop shooting themselves in the foot and they might have a chance.

Anyone want another Tory /Lib Dem coalition? Yes please if it numbs the pain of The Hard Brexiteers.

Things are going well aren't they :lmao: :sad:
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