Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Canon on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 5:27 pm

Editing my RIAT shots, I've noticed some of my shots are rather noisy. I'm just wondering how people deal with the noise, and sharpening? I currently use Lightroom to edit my photos and shoot in JPEG (my current version of Lightroom doesn't work with my 80D RAW files)
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby TonyB on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 6:30 pm

You could use the noise reducing option in Lightroom, alternately - and for some a better alternative - would be this plugin for LR.......

https://www.google.com/nikcollection/

This may also be of interest.........

https://photo.stackexchange.com/questio ... n-photosho
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Canon on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 6:39 pm

I use the noise removal tool in Lightroom, however it seems to do very little, if anything at all. I only ever play around with the top slider which is probably why, I don't know what the other sliders do, so I just leave them alone.

Thanks for the reply
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby StuWeston on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 6:49 pm

I use the Nik collection and find it very effective, I use the "Sky" option, found under "Define" on the selective tool. It makes the sky so much more smoother, as for noise reduction on the actual aircraft, either the Define " option or just standard noise reduction on either Photoshop or Lightroom. I'm happy with the results I get.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby aceyone on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 7:17 pm

I use the " Canon Digital Photo Professional " that came with my 7d .find it very easy to use and effective enough for my poor efforts !
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby boff180 on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 7:25 pm

My current process which seems to be working, note I shoot raw...

1. Adjust exposure.etc in Lightroom
2. Colour noise reduction only in Lightroom
3. Sharpen in Lightroom
4. Edit in Photoshop (as tif)
5. Run the Topaz DeNoise 6 plugin
6. Resize to 1600x
7. Smart Sharpen
8. Save and Close
9. Edited Tif is added automatically to Lightroom and attached to the original RAW.

That nails noise and sharpens well first time, every time.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Canon on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 7:36 pm

Thanks for all the replies :up:
Boff 180 that workflow seem extremely long and time consuming, I'm already finding editing photos too time consuming.
I'm going to give that NIK collection a try and see how it goes. If not then I will try Boff's method
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby boff180 on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 2:51 am

One of the key components of a good digital image, especially from RAW, is the post processing. The longest stage of that process is the stage in Photoshop (which remains open throughout).

The stages in Lightroom take seconds - if you don't want to use Photoshop and a plugin to do noise reduction, learning Lightrooms in built noise reduction (found next to sharpening) will do in many situations.

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P.s Lightroom sharpening tip.... I use standard settings strength 90, radius 1.0, detail to 0 and a mask of 70. This gives good results without increasing noise.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Canon on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 12:10 pm

I will give that Lightroom sharpening tip a try.
Normally I use strength 20, radius and detail at default, and masking of around 15-25 (use the alt key to turn it to the black image with white outlines)
When I first started using lightroom I found that I'd always push that strength slider up too far and end up with white lines around the object, so I started to just leave it as low as possible.

Also when you say edit in Photoshop, what do you actually do during that stage? I never use photoshop unless I'm cloning out an object in the background.

Cheers,
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Jumbo on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 4:07 pm

Strength 20 seems pretty low, i use around strength 50 with the minimum radius and detail and 20 luminance in lightroom.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Canon on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 4:34 pm

What does each slider actually mean?
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Ian G on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 4:41 pm

I use the Imagenomic noise plugin for photoshop, it has to be the best one I've ever used. I do have settings preset in lightroom for sharpening but prefer to export from LR to photoshop to either sharpen more, but generally run a batch operation to remove noise.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby boff180 on Sun 23 Jul 2017, 4:56 pm

Canon wrote:What does each slider actually mean?


Strength = the amount of sharpening
Radius = the intensity of the sharpening on each pixel (i.e. the halo)
Detail = enhancement of detail (I find this adds alot of noise)
Mask = the higher the figure, the more the sharpening is limited to detected edges only (key to aviation photography, prevents the sky being sharpened).

To see the effect of each slider, hold down the alt key while using each slider.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby neilatter on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 5:56 pm

BTW there was an update from Adobe a while ago to sort the 80D RAW files, if you do an update to 2015.5 or v6.5 it should be sorted.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby boff180 on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 7:12 pm

Canon wrote:
Also when you say edit in Photoshop, what do you actually do during that stage? I never use photoshop unless I'm cloning out an object in the background.

Cheers,
James

Missed that one.... I use it for the following....

Noise reduction using the Topaz DeNoise plugin.
Resize
Final sharpen (using Smart Sharpen)
Content aware crop
More advanced image editing (i.e sky/subject specific)
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Canon on Mon 24 Jul 2017, 8:33 pm

Thanks for all the advice :up:
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Tuckat on Sun 30 Jul 2017, 11:52 am

This has been a really useful and informative thread, many thanks to those who have contributed.

Just one quick question. Andy, in PS you resize to 1600. How do you do this and what does it do to the image?

Thanks in anticipation,

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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby reheat module on Sun 30 Jul 2017, 2:39 pm

Another one on board with the obvious question of why not use your copy of DPP?
If you bought the camera from new, it's on the disc which came with it.
If not, it can be downloaded as a freebie (latest edition - just need your camera serial number).
It's designed and produced by Canon, using the algorithms to extract the best from your image.
It's part of my raw workflow and works very well.
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby cg_341 on Sun 30 Jul 2017, 2:46 pm

Tuckat wrote:Just one quick question. Andy, in PS you resize to 1600. How do you do this and what does it do to the image?

Image -> Image size -> set the longest edge (depending on whether it's portrait or landscape) to 1600px

It literally resizes the image. You wouldn't want to upload a 16MB+ 6000px wide image when you could upload a 0.5MB 1600px wide image...
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby Tommy on Sun 30 Jul 2017, 8:48 pm

boff180 wrote:The stages in Lightroom take seconds - if you don't want to use Photoshop and a plugin to do noise reduction, learning Lightrooms in built noise reduction (found next to sharpening) will do in many situations.


Feel free to disregard as a heathen who prefers to shoot JPEG, but I've switched from Ps to Lr now. So simple and easy, and Lightroom's sharpening and noise reduction, whilst not as powerful as, say, Topaz, is still perfectly up to scratch for my standards. Whether "my standards" count for anything, I've not a clue. :hide:
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Re: Photo editing - noise removal and sharpening

Postby K213 on Thu 03 Aug 2017, 11:18 am

Agree with Reheat Module.

I use the software that came with the Canon 70D and it works Ok for me.
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