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Uniformity FINAL EDIT ADDED

Postby Weather Watcher on Mon 28 May 2018, 10:20 am

When you take a number of shots of the same aircraft at an airshow do you try to make the sky uniform in post processing or do you treat each image as an individual shot? If you try for a uniform sky how do you do it? The examples here are of the Lancaster at the first Old Warden show this year. I know that the sky is different in different directions and elevations but should I have tried to produce a more uniform set of images? Thanks for any opinions/advice.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby sdad on Mon 28 May 2018, 12:20 pm

Instead of leaving it till later, why not only work with the piece of sky you like at the time of shooting? That is if you wish to pursue this line at all. How would you do it without advice from here?
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Re: Uniformity

Postby Hammy on Mon 28 May 2018, 3:57 pm

I can understand your reasoning behind wanting a uniformity to the sky in your images, however, I can't help but think it might be an exercise in futility where you spend hours of your life in photoshop for very little reward...

Light is infinitely changeable and whilst similar, even images from a sequence panning with one aircraft on one pass will throw up variations in the colour of the sky. You're not just dealing with a single patch of sky here; you're dealing with the ever-changing position of the sun in relation to it, any potential cloud movement (both in the patch of sky you're photographing and around where the sun is), how your camera 'reads' the light and calculates exposures accordingly, and the aircraft you're photographing and how its shape/size (how far in/out you need to zoom) and colour scheme might also affect the camera's metering. The wider the field of view you pan through in order to photograph an aircraft increases the complexity of this.

Personally, I take each image as a single entity rather than part of a sequence and edit accordingly - so long as the aircraft's colours look accurate, I don't care how the sky looks.

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Re: Uniformity

Postby Weather Watcher on Mon 28 May 2018, 8:56 pm

sdad wrote:why not only work with the piece of sky you like at the time of shooting?

Because I want images of different aspects of the aircraft, which I can only get from different places in the sky.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby Weather Watcher on Mon 28 May 2018, 9:03 pm

Hammy wrote:I can understand your reasoning behind wanting a uniformity to the sky in your images, however, I can't help but think it might be an exercise in futility where you spend hours of your life in photoshop for very little reward...

Personally, I take each image as a single entity rather than part of a sequence and edit accordingly - so long as the aircraft's colours look accurate, I don't care how the sky looks.

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Thanks for taking the time to reply. I think I agree and normally I would treat each image as a seperate entity.
However in this case there were no clouds in the sky and looking at my images of the Lancaster in sequence or side by side feels wrong in some way.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby jingernut on Tue 29 May 2018, 9:00 am

Weather Watcher wrote:I know that the sky is different in different directions and elevations but should I have tried to produce a more uniform set of images?


Surely that is only a question you can answer? It's not something that there is a yes or no to answer that someone else can give you.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby cg_341 on Tue 29 May 2018, 10:39 am

Hammy wrote:Personally, I take each image as a single entity rather than part of a sequence and edit accordingly - so long as the aircraft's colours look accurate, I don't care how the sky looks.

This is exactly it for me, especially the bit I have emboldened.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby Weather Watcher on Tue 29 May 2018, 12:38 pm

jingernut wrote:Surely that is only a question you can answer? It's not something that there is a yes or no to answer that someone else can give you.


I was looking for opinions - so far it seems that treating each image as an entity is the way to go.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby Weather Watcher on Tue 29 May 2018, 12:46 pm

cg_341 wrote:
Hammy wrote:Personally, I take each image as a single entity rather than part of a sequence and edit accordingly - so long as the aircraft's colours look accurate, I don't care how the sky looks.

This is exactly it for me, especially the bit I have emboldened.


I normally treat images this way (although colour accuracy is very difficult to judge after the event). It was just that in the examples I have posted above, it struck me that the skies were more different than I liked when viewing the images side by side. I wondered what others thought.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby wallace on Thu 31 May 2018, 4:52 pm

A manual white balance, a good colour profile and a consistent exposure, which is easier said than done.

There are so many variables you just have to do the best that you can.

I'd say that Lancaster B could benefit from a better white balance. There is a very strong blue colour cast in the deepest black, an RGB value of 20, 40, 65, make them equal and the picture isn't that bad
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Re: Uniformity

Postby Weather Watcher on Thu 31 May 2018, 5:29 pm

wallace wrote:A manual white balance, a good colour profile and a consistent exposure, which is easier said than done.

I'd say that Lancaster B could benefit from a better white balance. There is a very strong blue colour cast in the deepest black, an RGB value of 20, 40, 65, make them equal and the picture isn't that bad


You are absolutely right - the more you look the less you see. I'll have another look at that shot.
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Re: Uniformity

Postby Weather Watcher on Sat 02 Jun 2018, 4:26 pm

I've removed the blue cast as suggested and think think the image looks a lot better. I did have to use masks and use different white balances in different parts of the photo, so with my processing skills (or lack of) it's not something I would consider doing often. Any comments would be welcome.
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Re: Uniformity NEW EDIT ADDED

Postby Mooshie1956 on Sat 02 Jun 2018, 4:55 pm

That looks a lot better :biggrin: . I'm like you though not an expert on editing, I just do the minimum possible.
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Re: Uniformity NEW EDIT ADDED

Postby John_E on Sat 02 Jun 2018, 7:57 pm

It looks on my phone as though there’s now a halo around the Lanc, the area immediately outside of the edges of it are brighter than the rest of the sky.
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Re: Uniformity NEW EDIT ADDED

Postby Weather Watcher on Fri 08 Jun 2018, 2:14 pm

Mooshie1956 wrote:That looks a lot better :biggrin: . I'm like you though not an expert on editing, I just do the minimum possible.

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Re: Uniformity NEW EDIT ADDED

Postby Weather Watcher on Fri 08 Jun 2018, 2:17 pm

John_E wrote:It looks on my phone as though there’s now a halo around the Lanc, the area immediately outside of the edges of it are brighter than the rest of the sky.

Thanks for the comment - I agree :sad: it is more obvious on some screens than others. I've gone back and had a final attempt.
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Re: Uniformity FINAL EDIT ADDED

Postby rockfordstone on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 3:51 pm

this used to be one of my pet peeves, but in reality, different angles of shooting and different settings mean the sky will turn out different

these days i compare them side by side in light room and try to line them up but ultimately to me the subject is most important. It is infuriating i'll give you that
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