Duxford Flying Legends Review

Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby UK Airshow Review on Wed 26 Jul 2017, 6:31 pm

  • "Great Expectations" - Andy Evans spent his Sunday at IWM Duxford and provides a Flying Legends newcomer's personal account and review for UK Airshow Review.

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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby TKK 140 on Thu 27 Jul 2017, 8:49 pm

Thanks for the report Andy, you are hard to please. Fortunately having selected to go on the Saturday months ago and being blessed with excellent weather made for a great day out, but very much pot luck, we all know that before we book. However remember that the reason that on the day tickets are not available and the cause can be traced back to the complete chaos caused during the Sunday of the visit of the two Lancaster bombers. That's why it's not available to leave it to the last minute anymore.

The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange, as is dwelling on the red arrows display and the RAF flight lines in the central three paragraphs is a distraction, rather than concentrating on the shear breath of aviation history in front of the visitor. Let's face it the Arrows are a plus but hardly the main draw here. It is a shame if they caused some angst amoung their more avid fans.

"Surprised it trades on piston engine fighters" Its not called "Flying piston engined fighter legends" but what about the Bearcat, P40, Corsair, Sea Fury, `Seafire Wildcat etc they are all what the show is all about. Frensi did not fly on the Saturday, unless I missed it changing the camera batteries, but that's just one of those things, it's good it flew on the Sunday.

Maybe we are just too spoiled with historic aircraft to appreciate them fully. The Sea Fury "Joker" display on the Saturday is one of the best high performance piston displays I have ever seen, and perhaps on the Sunday too? Let's not forget the 4 Hurricanes on the Saturday in formation, and was it 5 Hurricanes on the Sunday, which surely deserved a mention.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Thu 27 Jul 2017, 9:15 pm

TKK 140 wrote:The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange

Best avoid the RIAT review then...
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby Mike on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 7:13 pm

I think he must have gone home after the Reds. He seems to have been at a completely different show from the rest of us!
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby TKK 140 on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 7:55 pm

LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange

Best avoid the RIAT review then...


Is it non airshow day review now for photos now?
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby Tommy on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:13 pm

TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange

Best avoid the RIAT review then...


Is it non airshow day review now for photos now?


What you just said doesn't make any sense. In an attempt to decipher, the answer is yes(?). Where staffers are present and able to provide photos of arrivals, UKAR has always included non-airshow day photos of arrivals and departures in reviews. It's a very bizarre issue to take with our reviews. Especially after 21 years of writing them...

We've got reviews on our webpage going back to 2005; find me a single RIAT review (just as an example) that doesn't have arrivals/departures (i.e. non airshow day) photos.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby TKK 140 on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:19 pm

Tommy wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange

Best avoid the RIAT review then...


Is it non airshow day review now for photos now?


What you just said doesn't make any sense. In an attempt to decipher, the answer is yes(?). Where staffers are present and able to provide photos of arrivals, UKAR has always included non-airshow day photos of arrivals and departures in reviews. It's a very bizarre issue to take with our reviews. Especially after 21 years of writing them...

We've got reviews on our webpage going back to 2005; find me a single RIAT review (just as an example) that doesn't have arrivals/departures (i.e. non airshow day) photos.



It's a perfectly relevant and reasonable point to make, not one picture from Duxford during the actual Airshow. Bet Brian had some non Dslr pictures. As for RIAT photos before during and after the Airshow, surely?
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby Wissam24 on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:31 pm

TKK 140 wrote:
Tommy wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange

Best avoid the RIAT review then...


Is it non airshow day review now for photos now?


What you just said doesn't make any sense. In an attempt to decipher, the answer is yes(?). Where staffers are present and able to provide photos of arrivals, UKAR has always included non-airshow day photos of arrivals and departures in reviews. It's a very bizarre issue to take with our reviews. Especially after 21 years of writing them...

We've got reviews on our webpage going back to 2005; find me a single RIAT review (just as an example) that doesn't have arrivals/departures (i.e. non airshow day) photos.



It's a perfectly relevant and reasonable point to make, not one picture from Duxford during the actual Airshow. Bet Brian had some non Dslr pictures. As for RIAT photos before during and after the Airshow, surely?


...every one of Andy's photos in the article were taken on the Sunday show.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby TKK 140 on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:38 pm

Wissam24 wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:
Tommy wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:The accompanying pictures taken on a non airshow day is strange

Best avoid the RIAT review then...


Is it non airshow day review now for photos now?


What you just said doesn't make any sense. In an attempt to decipher, the answer is yes(?). Where staffers are present and able to provide photos of arrivals, UKAR has always included non-airshow day photos of arrivals and departures in reviews. It's a very bizarre issue to take with our reviews. Especially after 21 years of writing them...

We've got reviews on our webpage going back to 2005; find me a single RIAT review (just as an example) that doesn't have arrivals/departures (i.e. non airshow day) photos.




It's a perfectly relevant and reasonable point to make, not one picture from Duxford during the actual Airshow. Bet Brian had some non Dslr pictures. As for RIAT photos before during and after the Airshow, surely?


...every one of Andy's photos in the article were taken on the Sunday show.


Perhaps the credits for the photo's is incorrect then? If so apologies to Andy.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:43 pm

Everything credited to Andy Evans was taken on Sunday. Anything credited to Dan Butcher was taken on Friday. What about that is difficult to understand?
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby TKK 140 on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:47 pm

LN Strike Eagle wrote:Everything credited to Andy Evans was taken on Sunday. Anything credited to Dan Butcher was taken on Friday. What about that is difficult to understand?


Articles here normally give credits to or a statement like "additional photos by" what's hard to understand about that?
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 8:58 pm

TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:Everything credited to Andy Evans was taken on Sunday. Anything credited to Dan Butcher was taken on Friday. What about that is difficult to understand?


Articles here normally give credits to or a statement like "additional photos by" what's hard to understand about that?

It would help if you could post in legible English, but as you seemingly require everything to be spoon fed, the by-line says...

Andy Evans spent his Sunday at IWM Duxford and provides a Flying Legends newcomer's personal account and review for UK Airshow Review. Friday photos from Dan Butcher.

At no point does that say we only have photos from one person, nor does it say we only have photos from one day. It's Andy's review, to which I have supplied additional images, taken on a different day to which he attended. As stated in my last post, if it is credited to Andy, then it was taken on Sunday. If not, it was taken on Friday. It's very simple.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby TKK 140 on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 9:22 pm

LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:Everything credited to Andy Evans was taken on Sunday. Anything credited to Dan Butcher was taken on Friday. What about that is difficult to understand?


Articles here normally give credits to or a statement like "additional photos by" what's hard to understand about that?

It would help if you could post in legible English, but as you seemingly require everything to be spoon fed, the by-line says...

Andy Evans spent his Sunday at IWM Duxford and provides a Flying Legends newcomer's personal account and review for UK Airshow Review. Friday photos from Dan Butcher.

At no point does that say we only have photos from one person, nor does it say we only have photos from one day. It's Andy's review, to which I have supplied additional images, taken on a different day to which he attended. As stated in my last post, if it is credited to Andy, then it was taken on Sunday. If not, it was taken on Friday. It's very simple.



It's not obvious unless you click on each individual picture,then you see the credit. Normally credits are shown in the written review thus: Photos by xxxx with additional Friday photos from A.N. Other. It would be helpful if you tried to be less condescending and look at it from another's view objectively, just for once.
TKK 140

Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Fri 28 Jul 2017, 9:32 pm

They're shown however we choose to do them...

Dan Ledwood attended a distinctly blustery RAF Cosford and reports for UK Airshow Review. Photography by the UKAR Staff Team.

There's one name mentioned there. There are photos from at least four people in the Cosford review. You have to click on each image to find out who took it. What's the big deal?

The Legends review contains images from two sources. Both are named, each image is credited accordingly. End of discussion. If that's too complex to follow, that's your problem, not mine.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby The Baron on Sat 29 Jul 2017, 11:37 am

Is TKK deliberately missing the point so as to be as awkward as possible?

I have no issues with the review, it's one person's perspective like it or not and to me the photos are an aside, as it's a review - you want photos? There are plenty of photo threads from Legends.
What I still don't understand is some people's beliefs that any show at Duxford can do no wrong. If Andy wasn't impressed that's his view. Accept it and move on. No doubt Elliott will review it separately and will find it the best show this year.
Undoubtedly the show will actually be between the two - some marvellous set pieces and solos, large numbers of impressive vintage aircraft etc but with room for improvement in communication and display lines.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Sat 29 Jul 2017, 11:41 am

The Baron wrote:Is TKK deliberately missing the point so as to be as awkward as possible?


Nope. Every post in every thread is the same.

He's in the right hobby, everything goes right over his head.

If he's not a spoof member, I'd be amazed.
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby st24 on Sat 29 Jul 2017, 2:06 pm

TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:
TKK 140 wrote:
LN Strike Eagle wrote:Everything credited to Andy Evans was taken on Sunday. Anything credited to Dan Butcher was taken on Friday. What about that is difficult to understand?


Articles here normally give credits to or a statement like "additional photos by" what's hard to understand about that?

It would help if you could post in legible English, but as you seemingly require everything to be spoon fed, the by-line says...

Andy Evans spent his Sunday at IWM Duxford and provides a Flying Legends newcomer's personal account and review for UK Airshow Review. Friday photos from Dan Butcher.

At no point does that say we only have photos from one person, nor does it say we only have photos from one day. It's Andy's review, to which I have supplied additional images, taken on a different day to which he attended. As stated in my last post, if it is credited to Andy, then it was taken on Sunday. If not, it was taken on Friday. It's very simple.



It's not obvious unless you click on each individual picture,then you see the credit. Normally credits are shown in the written review thus: Photos by xxxx with additional Friday photos from A.N. Other. It would be helpful if you tried to be less condescending and look at it from another's view objectively, just for once.


Good God man you a write a fairly coherent response to the review, some of which I fully agree with and then you post complete and utter garbage and argue about something that's as plain as day ! why??! :dizzy:
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Re: Duxford Flying Legends Review

Postby Elliott Marsh on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 4:30 pm

The Baron wrote:What I still don't understand is some people's beliefs that any show at Duxford can do no wrong. If Andy wasn't impressed that's his view. Accept it and move on. No doubt Elliott will review it separately and will find it the best show this year.


I'll bite, as I've been singled out by name!

I actually thought the May show was a pretty drab affair. September is looking better, but the IWM are totally bodging the Battle of Britain theme.

Thought Legends was grand. Not the best edition, but in the round, most enjoyable. No doubt I'll be vilified for enjoying something I spend huge amounts of time and money on (where is Slappywag these days?), rather than picking apart the minutiae, but it's to be expected.

Best show of the year? I'll get back to you after Race Day...
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