Yeovilton Air Day 2012 - 23rd June

[2e1var]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

A statement from someone who obviously has no clue about organising an Air Show...

Well that's stating the bleedin' obvious. My work means I'm responsible for delivering the expectations of thousands of members of the public every day. If i stuff it up I take the critisism, it's what I do. Whoever organises VLAD has well and truly stuffed it up. No good depending on a handfull of good acts and whining it's not your fault when it goes tits up. The organizers have messed up on numerous counts and failed to deliver a decent show this year. If it doesn't affect this years attendance it will likely have a knock on effect next year after many have a disappointing show this year. I don't blame the organizers for acts that drop out but I sure as hell do for not sourcing decent replacements. Do your job guys, it's what you SHOULD have a clue about.

[2e1var]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

Ridiculous and unfounded statement - months and months of work, definitely some disappointments along the way but every effort possible made to present a unique and diverse mix. On that front - and every other - the organisers certainly haven't failed.

Astounding...

Ridiculous - an opinion you are entitled to
Unfounded - are you serious ?

[Lomcevak26]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

Ridiculous and unfounded statement - months and months of work, definitely some disappointments along the way but every effort possible made to present a unique and diverse mix. On that front - and every other - the organisers certainly haven't failed.

Astounding...

Ridiculous - an opinion you are entitled to
Unfounded - are you serious ?

Completely serious! A show has been organised and a show will be supplied. What you don't mention are the An-124, NH-90, Saudi Hawks, Boscombe A109 etc - none of them seen at the show before and all fantastic catches. Disappointment over the cancellations is one thing and, as far as that's concerned, organisers, enthusiasts and the general public are, justifiably, united. But your original statements go way too far and ARE without foundation. End of!

[krustydave]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

All I thought when I read this was..."Beware the troll".
But it would seem like he's actually serious lol!

Im disapointed as hell too at the list of cancellations etc...
But I really dont think theres any reason the organisers should be ashamed...I think they are victims of horrible luck this year.
The only other aicraft that could reasonably turn up and are "big misses" are the fast jets and they're somewhere else.
Im certain they'll have been asked.

Most other things that could stand in would be warbirds, more classic jets and the smaller civy items that you'd see many other places.
The french cancelled they're flying display yesterday therefore that gives the organisers 3 DAYS to get something similar to stand in as a replacement.
I guess thats easy is it??...OH PLEASE! A/C Operators cant just stand by on a chance things might get cancelled at one show if they can get a positive booking somewhere else.

Lets also not forget that the RAF are probably somewhat lothe to send stuff to display for the Navy with all the silly interservice rivalry and all that jazz.
Probably like seeing them beg! We should be glad we've got the reds!

Yes it'll most liklely be a bad year and by the looks of things the weather is going to put a spanner in the works for what else there is.
But think about how bad the organisers must feel about it all. Im positive they want the best show they can get!
Lets just calm down and think rationally and reasonably about it.

[sylvancatharsis]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

A statement from someone who obviously has no clue about organising an Air Show...

Well that's stating the bleedin' obvious. My work means I'm responsible for delivering the expectations of thousands of members of the public every day. If i stuff it up I take the critisism, it's what I do. Whoever organises VLAD has well and truly stuffed it up. No good depending on a handfull of good acts and whining it's not your fault when it goes tits up. The organizers have messed up on numerous counts and failed to deliver a decent show this year. If it doesn't affect this years attendance it will likely have a knock on effect next year after many have a disappointing show this year. I don't blame the organizers for acts that drop out but I sure as hell do for not sourcing decent replacements. Do your job guys, it's what you SHOULD have a clue about.

Of course you're right, because it only takes a quick phone call to the AMI to secure a last-minute AMX display to replace the French Rafales that cancelled. Without going into particulars, there is not a shard of legitimacy in anything you've written, and comparing organizing whatever it is you do (which obviously does not involve acquiring military aircraft or expensive vintage aircraft on short notice) is a logical fallacy of the highest order. And that is truly shocking.

There is an air show happening. A few items that would have an esoteric appeal to a small group of enthusiats have, sadly, been forced to cancel. The general public won't notice one bit as long as they've got their Red Arrows and Commando Assault.

[PeteM]

I don't blame the organizers for acts that drop out but I sure as hell do for not sourcing decent replacements. Do your job guys, it's what you SHOULD have a clue about.

And just where do you think decent replacements are going to come from? There are limited possibilities out there these days, and at such short notice there is virtually no chance of filling the gaps. As usual, the Royal Navy will stage an event to entertain families of all ages, show the British tax payer where their money is spent, raise money for charities and hopefully encourage youngsters to show an interest in the possibility of a career in the armed forces. I am sure that as far as the organizers are concerned the wishes of enthusiasts are of course important, but secondary to the above.
Just go along, enjoy the day and be grateful that you are allowed access to an establishment that would otherwise be off limits.

[uk-ian]

My work means I'm responsible for delivering the expectations of thousands of members of the public every day.

do you make lunches for Scottish Primary schools?

[Seamus]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

I honestly despair at this sort of comment. If you had any idea of what has been going on behind the scenes, then you might have some appreciation of how hard the organisers have worked to get what they've got, in spite of some frankly unbelievable bad luck, through no fault of their own. If display items choose to go to Florennes, cancel, change their mind at the last minute, or go tech, there is absolutely nothing the organisers can do about it, though I'm sure they'd appreciate your suggestions.....

I know first hand this year's show had the potential to be a classic, but circumstances have been such that it was a case of close, but no cigar, and we have to accept that. Trust me when I say no one is as disappointed with that way things have panned out as they are.

If you're that disgusted with the show on offer, then don't go. That is your choice, but to slam the organisers for failing to deliver a show that meets your expectations is, quite frankly, bang out of order.

[runlikehell]

I'm really dissapointeed at the attitude of some people on this forum, the military do not exist for the entertainment of a few individuals who want a display that is to their personal approval. Be grateful there is an air show, there is an option for nothing at all given the current economic situation so make the most of it, it will be a great day out and we should support the Navy, Army, Marines and RAF not wiinge on with this pointless tedium that some or other exotic aircraft can't attend the show - get a life!

[DeconflictionService]

Shocking this year. Organizers should hang their heads in shame. You are there to organize a show and you have failed miserably.

A statement from someone who obviously has no clue about organising an Air Show...

Well that's stating the bleedin' obvious. My work means I'm responsible for delivering the expectations of thousands of members of the public every day. If i stuff it up I take the critisism, it's what I do. Whoever organises VLAD has well and truly stuffed it up. No good depending on a handfull of good acts and whining it's not your fault when it goes tits up. The organizers have messed up on numerous counts and failed to deliver a decent show this year. If it doesn't affect this years attendance it will likely have a knock on effect next year after many have a disappointing show this year. I don't blame the organizers for acts that drop out but I sure as hell do for not sourcing decent replacements. Do your job guys, it's what you SHOULD have a clue about.

I feel quite ashamed of what you've written, I think you should also be ashamed of what you've written too. You show a clear lack of knowledge as to how airshows are organised and moreover why the Air Day exists & it's purposes too. I don't care one jot how many photos you have taken, at goodness knows how many airshows, you are seriously naive when it comes to how you organise this kind of event, moreover any kind of public event. This is an Air Display, aircraft get cancelled for any numerous reasons. Display pilots cancel too, for all manner of reasons (they have lives too), or didn't you think all this through? I don't think you did.
But you're wrong on so many levels, if you think that the display organisers have not done as much as possible to seek other displays to replace cancellations. You sound to me like a petty & narrow minded individual.
The work I do ~ I'm part of a dedicated team delivering a safe, professional Air Traffic service to the military & other agencies. Where am I based? RNAS Yeovilton.

[blackcat]

This will be my first time at the show and i pre booked my tickets a month ago as last year looked great and this years line up also looked great.
I am down here (Devon) on my holidays so it was all looking good.
Just seen this and although i'm gutted as the French were the star of the show in my eyes there is nothing that can be done.
Get over it people,this stuff happens.
Mark.

[2e1var]

The past few pages of this thread just show the level of disappointment at this years show. If you feel the organizers have done a great job and are happy then that is an opinion you are entitled to as I am to mine.

[Lomcevak26]

But no one's saying there isn't disappointment...

It's clearly not going in, is it?!

The organisers have done a great job - not just my opinion, but a fact. You've had it spelt out to you in the posts above - the cancellations in no way reflect lack of effort and if you truly believe they do, then there's not much more to be said...

[2e1var]

agreed, enjoy your day

[Trevsy]

Really disappointed about the Rafales. That particular act at Yeovilton, in fact the show itself, was the best UK show of last year. This year the Tornado is the only real fast jet which is a poor show as such I wont be making the 300 mile round trip this weekend.

I feel really sorry for the people at Yeovilton they've had some bad luck, first the Sea Vixen then the Vulcan and now the Rafales. Lets hope it picks up next year as it can be a superb show.

[PeteM]

The Country is bankrupt.
Much of Europe is bankrupt.
Many of Yeoviltons finest are away in far flung places such as Afghanistan.
Yet the organisers have still managed to put an excellent show together, I'd say they've done extremely well.

But I feel we are wasting our breath with this.

[uk-ian]

The Country is bankrupt.
Much of Europe is bankrupt.
Many of Yeoviltons finest are away in far flung places such as Afghanistan.
Yet the organisers have still managed to put an excellent show together, I'd say they've done extremely well.

But I feel we are wasting our breath with this.

I'm strongly with you on this.

[Benn George]

Well ill be making a 460 mile round trip and im looking forward to getting what I get end of Ill be happy with some nice Royal Navy stuff and anything else will be a bonus

[DeanW]

But I feel we are wasting our breath with this.

I agree. Best thing is to not feed the troll!

[Lomcevak26]

But I feel we are wasting our breath with this.

I agree. Best thing is to not feed the troll!

Agreed! I'm out of supplies in any case!

Just from me - not posting on the organisers' behalf - I'd like to thank those that are still behind this year's show. Hope you all have a great day.

Paul

[Trevsy]

The Country is bankrupt.
Much of Europe is bankrupt.
Many of Yeoviltons finest are away in far flung places such as Afghanistan.
Yet the organisers have still managed to put an excellent show together, I'd say they've done extremely well.

But I feel we are wasting our breath with this.

Pete that response could be said for every Airshow. Yet similar seems to appear in nearly every thread. I think people know that. This is a discussion board however, and that includes the negative as well as positive. Yeovilton was under all the same constraints last year and produced an absolutely superb show packed with star items. What I would say is they have lost out to a certain show on the continent this year and had bad luck as I previously stated.

[AMB]

I'm quite surprised that Yeovilton have not managed to get one example of ALL current FAA types in the static - I was really hoping they would get a Dauphin from Plymouth and a Beech Avenger. Anyone know why not? Surely these would have been easier to get than anything foreign?

[darren.somerset]

I have wondered why an avenger isn't on static we used to get jetstreams and why can't boscombe send available aircraft there only up the road as it were. There never seems to be any large Raf aircraft i know they do a stirling job abroad but something must be Sat at brize doing nothing?

[2e1var]

People should not really be suggesting alternative aircraft that could be invited along. You have no idea what it takes to organize an airshow and you may upset the organizers feelings.

[YoungWelshLad]

People should not really be suggesting alternative aircraft that could be invited along. You have no idea what it takes to organize an airshow and you may upset the organizers feelings.

Ridiculous, organizers are generally looking for additions/replacements up until the day or even on the day of the show when there is time to fill. So suggesting aircraft to invite along is causing no harm, no harm at all.

Also, you say suggesting alternative aircraft may upset they're feelings? I'm not sure you saying they've ' Failed Miserably ' at organizing a show is going to make them feel much better now, is it?

Back onto topic I think they've done a grand Job this year under the circumstances, the clash with Florennes is unfortunate, and the Cancellations, well they just happen.. If I do make it to the show, which is weather permitting, then I'll be looking forward to my first Yeovilton, and especially the Commando Assault and all those of that are unique to Yeovilton.

Cheers, Jamie.