Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby King Cobra on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 6:58 am

Slappywag wrote:TFC trio, whilst a half decent display, were wasted by being so far away. If that's how it's going to be, then they may as well not bother. A few half decent closer passes would have been infinitely better.


They were a darned sight closer than they were at Duxford FFS.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby cuban8 on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 7:24 am

We hadn't been to OW for an airshow since early last year, so we were wondering what we were going to find. We needn't have worried. Perfect weather always helps, (not for the Edwardians, this time though) and we agreed that OW's unique atmosphere hadn't been diluted at all. We arrived at 0945 and despite a published gates open time of 0900, the place was already very busy with the main area full of cars, so we were parked in the area near the Merlin, which wasn't a problem. Our tickets were scanned, so I suppose the issues with that arose later. Access from the entrance to the ticket check point was partly over a lengthy grass area, so goodness knows what a mud bath it might have become had there been heavy rain in the days up to the show (been stuck in mud before at OW).
Since our last visit, the car parking arrangements had been changed, and it was no longer a case of the main area being filled to the gunnels with vehicles, but a considerable area at the front, along the flightline had been kept vacant for spectators, picnickers, etc.
Although a little surprised by this at first, we found a spot to pitch our chairs adjacent to the track down which the vehicle parade entered the flight-line so we had the best of both worlds, and with only a few steps back to the car, we thought the layout to be an improvement to the old arrangements. Perhaps not so good if one arrived later in the morning and was parked in the area nearby the house, or over in the Spinney, so a good idea to arrive early!
As for the flying, to be honest, we really didn't notice that much difference given the new regulations, with the Sea Vixen, Wildcat, Corsair, and Bearcat giving particularly spectacular performances. A few have criticized the distance that the 'planes were flying at , but as far as I'm aware, low passes were no further than the trees near the farm opposite - in fact you could see the shadow of some of the aircraft on the trees as they went by! I like the high looping maneuvers from aircraft that are capable of them - I think the displays were a fair attempt to satisfy everyone's taste.
Every act was good, flying was continuous and the commentator kept his banter to just about the right level to suit everyone. Interesting ground displays, and we also spent half an hour briefly looking at the Swiss Garden, which was wonderful and deserves a separate visit in itself.
Good value for money all round (especially as SVAS members), excellent entertainment as always, no problems with traffic - so very well done Old Warden :clap:
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Slappywag on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 8:23 am

King Cobra wrote:
Slappywag wrote:TFC trio, whilst a half decent display, were wasted by being so far away. If that's how it's going to be, then they may as well not bother. A few half decent closer passes would have been infinitely better.


They were a darned sight closer than they were at Duxford FFS.

What's the point in all this high energy stuff with warbirds if it puts them in the realms of dot spotting? Caning it up and down several times closer is infinitely more appealing.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby hmeasures on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 8:38 am

Slappywag wrote:
King Cobra wrote:
Slappywag wrote:TFC trio, whilst a half decent display, were wasted by being so far away. If that's how it's going to be, then they may as well not bother. A few half decent closer passes would have been infinitely better.


They were a darned sight closer than they were at Duxford FFS.

What's the point in all this high energy stuff with warbirds if it puts them in the realms of dot spotting? Caning it up and down several times closer is infinitely more appealing.


Seeing pretty much the pinnacle of piston engined warbirds just doing topside passes would not be a great demonstration of the types power. I love the displays the Bearcat does in anyone's hands, they're just so impressive.

Stop moaning and enjoy it ffs.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby pb643 on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 8:46 am

Slappywag wrote:
King Cobra wrote:
Slappywag wrote:TFC trio, whilst a half decent display, were wasted by being so far away. If that's how it's going to be, then they may as well not bother. A few half decent closer passes would have been infinitely better.


They were a darned sight closer than they were at Duxford FFS.

What's the point in all this high energy stuff with warbirds if it puts them in the realms of dot spotting? Caning it up and down several times closer is infinitely more appealing.


Is it not the case that if they flew a flat display it would take in 5 counties, they have include some vertical manoeuvers to convert speed to height and keep the display radius reasonable, in much the same way fast jets are flown? The alternative would be flat high G turns at either end?

The commentator did say that the Bearcats display was flown at something like "flight idle", I can't recall the exact phrase.

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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby tommercer on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 8:57 am

The show was exceptional and fully understood what it was supposed to do with the theme.

The Sea Vixen and Wasp were outstanding.

I'm in two minds about TFC. While the three aircraft were relevant and the displays themselves flown very well, I felt that the displays hadn't really been tailored at all for this year's regulations. All three felt distant for most of their routines, much like the Seafire at times, and didn't really fit with the feel of Shuttleworth.

I'm probably in the minority but the high energy routines didn't do an awful lot for me yesterday.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Slappywag on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:27 am

hmeasures wrote:
Slappywag wrote:
King Cobra wrote:
Slappywag wrote:TFC trio, whilst a half decent display, were wasted by being so far away. If that's how it's going to be, then they may as well not bother. A few half decent closer passes would have been infinitely better.


They were a darned sight closer than they were at Duxford FFS.

What's the point in all this high energy stuff with warbirds if it puts them in the realms of dot spotting? Caning it up and down several times closer is infinitely more appealing.


Seeing pretty much the pinnacle of piston engined warbirds just doing topside passes would not be a great demonstration of the types power. I love the displays the Bearcat does in anyone's hands, they're just so impressive.

Stop moaning and enjoy it ffs.

Why do they need to demonstrate what they used to be capable of? Surely just seeing them presented well would suffice? It's not like the whole business is under scrutiny is it... :roll:

Think you need to grow up a bit and look at the bigger picture, sunshine.

tommercer wrote:I'm in two minds about TFC. While the three aircraft were relevant and the displays themselves flown very well, I felt that the displays hadn't really been tailored at all for this year's regulations. All three felt distant for most of their routines, much like the Seafire at times, and didn't really fit with the feel of Shuttleworth.

I'm probably in the minority but the high energy routines didn't do an awful lot for me yesterday.

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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Wissam24 on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:34 am

You're not being told off, Slappywag, you're being disagreed with. Learn the difference.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby jalfrezi on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:46 am

tommercer wrote:
I'm in two minds about TFC. While the three aircraft were relevant and the displays themselves flown very well, I felt that the displays hadn't really been tailored at all for this year's regulations. All three felt distant for most of their routines, much like the Seafire at times, and didn't really fit with the feel of Shuttleworth.


Totally agree, while I don't have a problem with 'boom and zoom' it would have been nice to have a few topside passes which is what Shuttleworth is renowned for.

Other than that I thought it was a great show, I really like how the Navy theme was used throughout the show. :up:
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby AlexC on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:48 am

I got there around 9.00 (although I may never have made it as I was very nearly wiped out on the M27 at about 6.30 on the way up, but that's another story) and I was the last one into the main car park before it was closed.

As most others have said I thought it was an excellent show. I was using my 300mm lens (450 equivalent) and the topside shots that I got may stand a fair amount of cropping in order to get decent prints, but time will tell.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Slappywag on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:48 am

Wissam24 wrote:You're not being told off, Slappywag, you're being disagreed with. Learn the difference.

Disagreement is fine. Difference of opinion is fine.

The 'Stop moaning and enjoy it ffs.' seemed a little more than that, however.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Ryan. on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:49 am

The Sea Vixen, for me, easily the star of the show. Fantastic display from that aircraft. Thought the Fighter Collection did a great job and the three flypasts at the end in formation, a great touch.

Some displays, personally, felt much further away than others still. Guess that's going to be the case for while as it's only their second big flying event under the new regulations.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby The Baron on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:50 am

Wissam24 wrote:You're not being told off, Slappywag, you're being disagreed with. Learn the difference.


And the repeated use of 'ffs' is hardly necessary in an adult discussion. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion with being sworn at, even if it's a three letter acronym.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Flare Path on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:52 am

Not many places I'd rather be on a glorious summers day. Great show, even better theme.

Sea Vixen, Seafire, Gloster Gladiator and Bearcat the real high points for me - Wasp a funny thing. :grin: :up:

Hope you all had a good time.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Wissam24 on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:57 am

Forgot to say as well - seeing as it's seen to infrequently it's easy t forget how manoeuvrable the Swordfish is! Crikey that thing's got a lot of rudder! Great display.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby capercaillie on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:59 am

Where do we start, great weather, great aircraft, great venue, much better than the premiere show with less frustrations, but still not as good as it used to be. I don't know if any talks had gone on between the show committee and CAA, but if so, at least they were to our favour.

Great use of what resources we have in the country, both modern and historic to fit into a theme at a show, with little deviation required.

Sea Vixen was great as always, it did look a little closer than I'd have expected under the current regs on the topside, but I'm not going to complain, it rules :king:

Pleased to have at last seen the Nimrods :love: and the Morane was just stunning. :clap: The home fleet were much nearer than in May, although the Anson's lack of proper topsides round the corner still means we're not quite there.

The TFC displays were excellent, Wildcat just sounds fabulous, and I can understand the split opinions here, they are brilliantly flown, but surely at a venue like OW, once the aeros are complete, a topside pass flying round the line can be easily achieved just as the Bearcat proved - perfect. :up: Having seen the Seafire at Cosby last year where it flew perfect crowd pleasing passes, it did struggle a lit bit to ignite the same enthusiasm, its "lengthened" display again would have proved much more popular had it flown a couple of photo passes rather than the same Cuban 8s repeatedly.

Swordfish was most disappointing of all for me personally as it really did stick to its turn away from the crowd routine at the left hand end when it could have easily used the big space and its low speed manoeuvrability to turn back in round the corner with some topside, as its formation departure proved a little later on!

But really they are small niggles on what was a greatly enjoyable show. Some nice visitors as well, smart Stearman and the fabulous Courier bagged. :up:
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Flare Path on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 10:01 am

capercaillie wrote:But really they are small niggles on what was a greatly enjoyable show. Some nice visitors as well, smart Stearman and the fabulous Courier bagged. :up:


Who turned up in the PC-12. :shock: :grin:
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby hmeasures on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 10:03 am

Slappywag wrote:Why do they need to demonstrate what they used to be capable of? Surely just seeing them presented well would suffice? It's not like the whole business is under scrutiny is it... :roll:

Think you need to grow up a bit and look at the bigger picture, sunshine.


LOL, all 3 were presented well. Fantastically even. On that basis might as well stick them in a museum, no need to demonstrate they used to be able to fly either.

Looking at the bigger picture I've decided to enjoy it for what it is... And to stop moaning about things. They weren't that far away either. Maybe at the the top of the loops though :lol:

At the end of the day this is a matter of opinions. Yes perhaps I would have liked to see the Corsair or Wildcat do a topside in the routine like the Bearcat, but did the lack of one really detract? No - I enjoyed it nonetheless.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby st24 on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 10:07 am

Flare Path wrote:
capercaillie wrote:But really they are small niggles on what was a greatly enjoyable show. Some nice visitors as well, smart Stearman and the fabulous Courier bagged. :up:


Who turned up in the PC-12. :shock: :grin:


It's Caper's private transport. He really likes to lord it up at OW.... :king:

Thoughts on my first OW post Shoreham? Fabulous. :up:
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby AlexC on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 11:09 am

capercaillie wrote:Some nice visitors as well, smart Stearman and the fabulous Courier bagged. :up:


Also very pleased to see the Stearman, don't think I've seen that one before. The only thing that jarred slightly was the blue helmets, but that's only a minor niggle.

BTW, did anyone else notice the red kite overhead the airfield?
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby timuss on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 11:24 am

What more can i say an epic show at Old Warden yesterday so many highlights, the Sea Vixen was outstanding i'm not gonna lie i was whooping quite loudly as she displayed just stunning!!! And Chris Gotke's display in the chippie was very nice as well. Then TFC oh my what an ending to the show the Wildcat display was amazing as was the Bearcat some glorious aerobatics and lovely topside passes Ok so the Corsair didn't topside so what but when its displayed like that who cares!

The Seafire flew an nice display first time i'd seen it display on its own very nice indeed. Shuttleworth should be commended with yesterday's show talk about picking a theme and sticking to it superb :clap: :clap: :clap: More of the same next year please.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby Airwolfhound on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 11:44 am

AlexC wrote:
capercaillie wrote:Some nice visitors as well, smart Stearman and the fabulous Courier bagged. :up:


Also very pleased to see the Stearman, don't think I've seen that one before. The only thing that jarred slightly was the blue helmets, but that's only a minor niggle.

BTW, did anyone else notice the red kite overhead the airfield?


Yep, I did, got some great topside shots of it as well :grin:

At one stage there were about 5 flying around, saw a couple of them having a mid-air tussle.
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby UKTopgun on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 11:52 am

AlexC wrote:
capercaillie wrote:Some nice visitors as well, smart Stearman and the fabulous Courier bagged. :up:


Also very pleased to see the Stearman, don't think I've seen that one before. The only thing that jarred slightly was the blue helmets, but that's only a minor niggle.

BTW, did anyone else notice the red kite overhead the airfield?


Shows are under all this CAA scrutiny and some wally goes and flies his kite during the display?!! :whistle:
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby It'sThePitts on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 1:22 pm

First ever trip to OW so unable to compare to the old days. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole event - gardens, hangers, static and flying. I guess awesome weather (after an overcast start) always helps. Had no issues with the mix of flying. Flypasts, topsides, loops, aerobatics, slow, fast, quiet, noisy, it's all enjoyable fun to me.

I'm no expert with a camera, but I managed to get some great full frame snaps with a 100-400mm. My first attempt at airshow photography so I was quite chuffed with some of the results. Just hope the airshow season continues in this manner, but I guess that is probably wishful thinking on my part! The show yesterday has certainly helped allay some of my fears after the regulation changes, but still early days I suppose.

Throckmorton and Cosford next on the list. :-)
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Re: Fly Navy Day - 5th June 2016

Postby BrawlerO on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 2:12 pm

Sounds like a great show, wish I could have been there! Nice to hear some positive comments after a gloomy start to the year.
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