Old Warden Photography

Old Warden Photography

Postby Nwalch on Wed 16 Mar 2016, 5:25 pm

Hoping to visit Old Warden for my first show there in May. Any recommendations for best places for photography. Is there a map\layout of the site online anywhere?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Jetnoise on Wed 16 Mar 2016, 8:47 pm

The site layout can be found here.....

http://www.shuttleworth.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/aircraft_parking_map_noned1.pdf

Anywhere along the crowd-line south of the tower is good for flying shots - sometimes parked aircraft can get in the way of runway shots - something you have to play by ear on the day.

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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Jetnoise on Wed 16 Mar 2016, 8:49 pm

By the way, on show days, the "main entrance" shown on the map is not used. If coming from the A1 you drive past it and then left further on which brings you in around the back of the park - all well sign-posted.

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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Nwalch on Wed 16 Mar 2016, 9:49 pm

Jetnoise wrote:The site layout can be found here.....

http://www.shuttleworth.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/aircraft_parking_map_noned1.pdf

Anywhere along the crowd-line south of the tower is good for flying shots - sometimes parked aircraft can get in the way of runway shots - something you have to play by ear on the day.

Cheers,
Ralph


Thank Ralph. Is runway 03-21 not used on airshow days?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Jetnoise on Wed 16 Mar 2016, 10:09 pm

03/21 is the only runway used on the show days. The cross runway is rarely used by anything other than based aircraft on occasions for test flights if the crosswind is too strong for 03/21 use.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby AlexC on Fri 18 Mar 2016, 4:02 pm

The cross runway was used for landing several times at one of the flying days that I attended last year. Was a bit worried that they were going to run out of the cross runway a couple of times, but they stopped OK thankfully.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Nwalch on Thu 21 Apr 2016, 8:26 pm

Jetnoise wrote:By the way, on show days, the "main entrance" shown on the map is not used. If coming from the A1 you drive past it and then left further on which brings you in around the back of the park - all well sign-posted.

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Is the parking further away on event days?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby AlexC on Thu 21 Apr 2016, 8:48 pm

Nwalch wrote:Is the parking further away on event days?


No.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Orion on Fri 22 Apr 2016, 9:35 am

Jetnoise wrote:03/21 is the only runway used on the show days. The cross runway is rarely used by anything other than based aircraft on occasions for test flights if the crosswind is too strong for 03/21 use.


The cross wind runway is used during shows, but not by the heavier aeroplanes as they can cope with crosswinds much better than the smaller, lighter stuff. Colloquially it's known as 'going up' or 'down' the hill at Old Warden.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Storm Shadow on Wed 04 May 2016, 7:29 am

I have not noticed any mention of the change to the display set-up at Old Warden this year.

On telephoning to query my membership yesterday, I was told that the fence has had to be moved 75ft. Has anyone noticed this? The effect will be to compress the crowdline back towards the 'mound'.

Also, it was said that they are having to close three roads this Sunday, because of the Red Arrows display. I did not ask if this was just during the duration of their display.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Wed 04 May 2016, 8:44 am

75ft would put it back to where that 'temporary' fenceline was last week?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby boff180 on Wed 04 May 2016, 9:19 am

Problem I have is when I formally asked them about the fence being bought back I was told in writing that it was temporary only and not being moved?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby alisdairanderson on Wed 04 May 2016, 2:46 pm

Storm Shadow wrote:Also, it was said that they are having to close three roads this Sunday, because of the Red Arrows display. I did not ask if this was just during the duration of their display.


I cycled past the signs a few days ago.... the signs say "will be closed at somepoint between 1300 and 1800", so assume just for the Reds.

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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Wed 04 May 2016, 2:55 pm

My understanding is that it's a RAFAT issue only.

Doesn't say much for their confidence in their own abilities, does it?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby C24 on Thu 05 May 2016, 7:11 am

I suspect that the flying ability of the RAFAT pilots exceeds that of the other pilots who plan to display during the event on Sunday.
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Jetnoise; your comment about the main entrance was very useful. It will almost certainly prevent an argument between the occupants of at least one car attending. Thank you.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby capercaillie on Thu 05 May 2016, 8:51 am

C24 wrote:I suspect that the flying ability of the RAFAT pilots exceeds that of the other pilots who plan to display during the event on Sunday.


Oddly enough, I think the flying experience of the vast majority of Shuttleworth's own pilots might suggest otherwise. :whistle: There again I don't think any of them would see it as a peeing up the wall contest, as their professionalism is too high. :up:
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby ArthurG on Thu 05 May 2016, 5:29 pm

Would anyone happen to know if the fence has actually been moved or will there now be a second fence marking the crowdline, with the original fence as a handy obstruction for runway pictures?
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Thu 05 May 2016, 5:48 pm

ArthurG wrote:Would anyone happen to know if the fence has actually been moved or will there now be a second fence marking the crowdline, with the original fence as a handy obstruction for runway pictures?

As of a photograph posted two weeks ago, the old fence is still in position. It would take a lot of groundwork to move that, move the gates, the PA speakers etc, so I share your concerns if there's any truth to these rumours.

In fairness, the "clarification" we (UKAR) had from Shuttleworth a fortnight ago didn't say the crowd line would be on the old fence, they only confirmed that the temporary fence pictured wouldn't be in use for the show...
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Thu 05 May 2016, 6:08 pm

IF the crowdline has moved back, the show organisers surely have a duty to tell their customers BEFORE they hand over their money. It's like turning up to the cinema to find that big IMAX screen is actually a TV from your living room...
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby jalfrezi on Thu 05 May 2016, 6:40 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:IF the crowdline has moved back, the show organisers surely have a duty to tell their customers BEFORE they hand over their money. It's like turning up to the cinema to find that big IMAX screen is actually a TV from your living room...


I expect they will move the display line back, though the effect will be the same for the viewers as it would moving the crowdline.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Exiler on Thu 05 May 2016, 6:41 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:IF the crowdline has moved back, the show organisers surely have a duty to tell their customers BEFORE they hand over their money. It's like turning up to the cinema to find that big IMAX screen is actually a TV from your living room...


Dan, we don't often agree but on this point I share exactly the same views.

It is interesting to note that a decent percentage of Shuttleworth based aircraft do not meet the higher weight restrictions imposed under the new CAA changes which in layman's terms surely means that they will be unaffected by these. Aircraft such as the Hurricane, Blenheim, Mustang Gladiator etc are the more likely to aircraft to suffer. It really will be a sad state of affairs if they destroy the beautiful venue that we have all come to love.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby King Cobra on Thu 05 May 2016, 11:22 pm

Was there on Thursday and the crowd line fence is where it's always been. As far as Old Warden is concerned, IMO the new CAA rules are trying to solve a non existent problem.
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby Dan O'Hagan on Fri 06 May 2016, 8:19 am

I'm posting this information with the permission of the Collection.

This weekend, in complying with the new regulations, aircraft less than 150kts will use the 150m line. Anything faster will be on a 230m line. The fence-line at the tower/paddock end remains the same. There will be a minor change in fence-line at the College end.m

In short, the display line has moved back (for faster types), not the crowd.

And the road closures are ONLY at the behest of the Red Arrows for their display.

Minds put to rest, somewhat? Could have been a lot worse!
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby The Baron on Fri 06 May 2016, 8:46 am

Dan O'Hagan wrote:I'm posting this information with the permission of the Collection.

This weekend, in complying with the new regulations, aircraft less than 150kts will use the 150m line. Anything faster will be on a 230m line. The fence-line at the tower/paddock end remains the same. There will be a minor change in fence-line at the College end.m

In short, the display line has moved back (for faster types), not the crowd.

And the road closures are ONLY at the behest of the Red Arrows for their display.

Minds put to rest, somewhat? Could have been a lot worse!


If that's correct, and I'm not questioning you, Dan, then yes. It could have been a lot worse. Hopefully after Sunday everyone will have a much better idea and it will indeed put minds at ease!
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Re: Old Warden Photography

Postby boff180 on Fri 06 May 2016, 8:55 am

OW have now posted Dan's info on Facebook.
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