Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 12:12 pm

I hope Hans Rolink will forgive me for borrowing the title, but I thought I'd put up a small selection from Neu-Welzow - and his series just seems particularly appropriate...although some of it was along the wrong side of the fence, now I come to think about it!

Neu-Welzow was one of the more interesting Russian bases in what used to be Eastern Germany and was located fairly close to Leipzig. The image below (courtesy of Google Earth) shows a plan view of the base and the first nine images were all taken on the approach path at the northern end. As was commonplace, there was a railway line that ran into the base - and this was a good location for photographing aircraft as they returned to the roost, although the many trees around this spot tended to make smooth panning difficult. Nevertheless, the first five images were all taken from the railway line area - and one had to be careful of the ants, which were quite large, extremely prolific and exceedingly vicious, as one of my colleagues discovered when he was bitten by one...

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Welzow was also the first base where I got to shoot what I considered to be genuine Russian warplanes going about their business - and the very first of those was MiG-25RU 'Red 01' coming back after performing the routine weather check that usually (though not always) preceded intense flying activity. It was one of two MiG-25 two-seaters at Welzow and was taken in April 1992.

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One of the more unusual MiG-25Rs that resided at Welzow was 'Red 38' which apparently retained camouflage that had been applied for operations in Afghanistan. It's not the greatest of shots, but the sun was elusive that day and I include it purely for rarity value.

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The next pair of MiG-25s ('Red 54' and 'Red 58') both feature the more usual finish and also reveal different arrangements of dielectric panels around the nose section. Both of these were also shot in April 1992.

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In addition to about a dozen or so MiG-25s, Welzow was also home to the Su-24 Fencer and originally hosted three squadrons, comprising one with the Su-24MP and two with Su-24MRs. By the time of my first visit, the Su-24MPs had departed and only two squadrons of MRs remained. 'White 05' was fairly typical of the Su-24MRs and is seen recovering in April 1992.

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Just over a year later, in May 1993, the MiG-25s had already left for Russia and the Su-24s were soon to follow. By this time, some photographers were becoming bolder and the next two shots of 'White 22' and 'White 27' are both taken at a spot that was at least 100 metres inside the perimeter fence and much closer to the runway at the northern end. This was much superior in that it eliminated the panning problems presented by trees, but could only be used in the morning with safety as there were quite a few Russians about. It should also be noted that by this time the Su-24MRs had been configured for ferry rig, with large auxiliary fuel tanks carried underwing in anticipation of departure.

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Harking back to April 1992, Welzow started flying quite late in the day and continued until well into the evening, allowing an opportunity to try for some arty shots. This was one of the more successful attempts and shows a Su-24MR silhouetted at twilight.

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Observing night-flying Russian-style was extremely interesting - albeit a tad chilly as it was a very cold night. There is also a Su-24 in this image - or, at least, it is possible on the original transparency (these are all scans from Kodachrome 64 slides) to discern a faint trail of light from its anti-collision beacon as it came in to land. Use of searchlights to illuminate the touch-down area appears to have been commonplace, with these being turned on a few seconds before an aircraft came in and doused again once it had passed... A similar procedure was also seen being used at Grossenhain and it may have been standard at all the bases.

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The final three shots were all taken in 1993 at a different location, close to the end of the runway at the southern end of the field. If you look again at the Google Earth image, you should be able to see a disused revetment adjacent to where the taxiway turns to parallel the runway (above and slightly left of the 's' in 'streaming'). The first shot shows a couple of Su-24MRs shortly after landing and moving to an area where ground technicians performed some kind of check prior to the aircraft heading back to the operational ramp.

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Next up is a standard-lens shot of 'White 26' taken from a point near the back of the revetment, somewhat earlier in the day when a certain element of anxiety was being felt - mainly because we were definitely some way inside the perimeter fence...and also well aware of the presence of Russians in the larger hard-standing to the left of the revetment we were using.

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Eventually, with nobody showing too much concern about what we were up to, we became a good deal bolder and moved to a spot right next to the taxiway. 'White 23' is fairly representative of the results obtained here and was shot using a 135mm telephoto, if I remember correctly. Amazingly, the Russian pilots didn't seem at all bothered by our presence - although one or two showed some surprise - and one even went as far as to raise and lower the in-flight refuelling probe in greeting as he trundled past. Well, I think it was a greeting, though he might have been giving us the finger, I suppose....

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And then, on 15 June 1993, they all departed for the motherland...
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 1:12 pm

Thanks Karl... Kind of you to say so...
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby TonyO on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 2:08 pm

I have seen a few of these images in World Air Power Journals gone by, and they still amaze me now.
Neu-Welzow seems to have quite modern layout compared to the overheads of other East German airfields at the time, was it purely a reconaissance station, like Marham once was?
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 2:21 pm

'lo Tony,

Be amazed - be very amazed!!!!!!! No, wait a minute - be amused - be very amused...

As far as I can determine, it seems to have specialised in recce and EW type missions for some considerable time, having operated Yak-28s before the advent of the Su-24 versions. The MiG-25s were previously at Werneuchen, but I think they moved across to Neu-Welzow when the Su-24MPs left. It also had Il-28s at one time - but I gather they were operated by a bomber-type regiment (APIB rather than ORAP).
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Bassalot on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 6:08 pm

Great shots taken during and great era! Would love to see some of Sperenberg, as I took a walk there this summer. I visited Damgarten two years ago and the place - like Sperenberg - just breaths history
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Hans Rolink on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 6:53 pm

Hi Dan,

good to see a third installment of the Along the fence in Easter Germany series. Great shots as well, thanks for sharing. A big shame I never got around doing Neu Welzow or Werneuchen for that matter....
As for Sperenberg, now let me just see what I have got...

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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 7:13 pm

Glad to hear you liked them Hans... I did get to Werneuchen but by the time I was there all that remained was a regiment of Mi-8s and Mi-24s, plus a couple of Mi-6s, some Mi-2s and a rather battered Yak-28 Brewer. Sperenberg, however, is another matter entirely - spent many mind-numbingly boring hours there waiting for things to happen and did manage to get some good stuff coming and going as well as a few exotic things (like the Il-22 Coots) by a sort of fence-busting exploit through the woods that surrounded much of the base. You start that thread and I may well add a few things if that's OK with you.

As for Damgarten, I went there for one of the Russian open days (same one as you, in 1992) and also tried to do some shooting on a normal flying day. It started well, but was suspended after only about half of the first wave had launched - and they were all recalled pdq. But, I was there on the last day in early 1994, when just under 50 MiG-29s left for Russia... Might dig some of those out when I have a bit more time. There were a couple in rather interesting camouflage.
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Postby Edicap on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 8:26 pm

Mad Dan,

Those shots are brilliant, I love your along the fence posts. More please :biggrin:
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Chuck on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 8:59 pm

Lovely memories of a great place. Went a few times to photograph those lovely machines and remember the spots you mention very well. Do you mind if I join in with some pictures?

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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 10:45 am

I don't mind in the least, Berry...go right ahead.

Say hi to Gill for me - and also congrats on getting some pics in the Greek publication.
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Ben Montgomery on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 12:47 pm

Now those are very good! And they really wernt bothered with you taking photos? Do like the two seat Mig-25 :clap:
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Postby DeanW on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 2:16 pm

Amazing. Great to see stuff like this!
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 5:06 pm

In answer to Original Monty, it depends when and where. In the early days (before I got there), I believe there was a certain amount of hostility, but by 1992 they seemed to have got pretty well resigned to it - mainly because of the hordes of Dutch enthusiasts who frequented the bases. That's one thing I never could understand. The Dutch were quick to seize the opportunities presented after the Berlin Wall came down - but hardly any Brits did. Not much more than a dozen, as I recall - but maybe 15-20 at most. For a nation with so many aviation enthusiasts, I find that hard to comprehend and my biggest regret is that I didn't get there sooner, though I managed five visits during 1992-94 and spent about six weeks in the area - undoubtedly six of the best weeks I've had pursuing aviation.

Anyway, it was still possible to run into problems, but it was generally fairly relaxed. I recall crashing about in the undergrowth at Welzow and being confronted by a Russian oficer who proceeded to unbutton his holster - we took the hint and made a discreet departure. The folks at Mahlwinkel (Mi-8s and Mi-24s) also had a reputation for being very unfriendly and were quickly on the scene on my only visit. Despite complete ignorance of Russian, it was clear they were anxious for us to leave. There was also an incident the night before I visited Dresden-Hellerau for the first time in which a student taking a short-cut through the base was shot dead - but a return visit a week later passed off fairly uneventfully, although the car number was logged by some Russians. On the other side of the coin, photography at Grossenhain was possible from the perimeter fence after payment of 5 marks to a Russian who appeared to inhabit a sentry box and after sneaking through the fence at Demmin to photograph Su-25s at last chance, the guys there gave a farewell wave when they finished - which was nice as it let us know that flying was over. That was the time that we followed a track through the forest and emerged to find ourselves on a paved road inside the base perimeter (but on the wrong side of the airfield to the Su-25s). It was only when we spotted a Russian truck heading towards us that we realised we had found the back way in. A quick 180 and backtrack was the order of the day...

I guess the most anxious moment I had was one time at Sperenberg for a self-guided tour of the An-12 area. We pitched up at the end of the track to discover a bunch of Turks unloading contraband from an An-12 and transferring it to a couple of white Transit-type vans. Needless to say, another discreet departure occurred - with a return visit made the next day when the coast was clear. And at Oranienberg, we encountered another Russian who offered to take us on base to shoot some Mi-6s for a modest fee/bribe (call it what you will). Mind you, he wimped out fairly quickly, but it did let us reach three or four Mi-6s that had previously been out of range... At Wittstock on the day the 33rd left for Damgarten, the Russians allowed you in for 5 marks - but the spot they had set aside was hopeless for photography so it became necessary to leave the base, drive round the outside and then break in at a different point so as to get close to the taxiway for the departure. On that occasion, a Russian wanted to swap hats with me (I had a fairly nifty Russian-style hat with fur-lined fold-down ear flaps that he seemed quite smitten with - unfortunately, his was way too small for me, so I declined).

And at Damgarten on the very last day, they absolutely refused to admit anyone - with the result that about 100 folk just burst through the fence next to the gate when the first MiG-29 was heard coming down the taxiway... That was hilarious - I recall holding the barbed wire strands apart so that a lady from Switzerland (honestly...) could get through safely - and we all ended up perched on top of the shelters next to the taxiway. That was one occasion when the Russians were well and truly outflanked - and left to just gawp. I can well imagine one of them turning to a comrade and saying , "Where's everybody gone?" And his colleague responding "They went that-a-way..."

Finally, a friend of mine who was at Sperenberg for the final parade managed to provoke a Russian guard by refusing to go when told to. He was photographing a Mi-8 (I think - it may have been a Mi-24) when there was a very loud bang. Exasperated by his failure to leave, the Russian popped a round from his Kalashnikov - vertically, I believe. Needless to say, the hint was taken...

So, in conclusion, if you were reasonably cautious and maintained a clear line of exit, it was open season - and one doesn't waste opportunities like that!
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Chuck on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 5:44 pm

First time I visited Welzow was in February 1991. We arrived at dusk, but they where night flying. Very impressive to watch, as Mad Dan described above. In the days of film and only the second time in Eastern Germany, I did not risk much and stayed well away from the airfield. Three Su-24MPs and five Su-24MRs flew that evening. I decided to try my luck again in March 1991. Unfortunately, the Soviets did not fly all day every day, but only flew at certain days of the week. During my visit, nothing was flying and I only saw one Fencer being towed.

I went back to the DDR in July, but did not visit Welzow. This airfield had to wait until August 1991 for yet another trip. In glorious weather 12 Fencers and 6 Foxbats flew several missions that day! Having seen some MiG-25s previously at Werneuchen, this would be my first opportunity to photograph these beasts. The pictures below are all taken at the north side of the airfield:

First some Su-24MR Fencers:

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The image below is not cropped at all. Can't remember exactly what lens I was shooting with at that time, but it can't be more than 300mm I think. It shows you how close you could get to the action from outside the fence:

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The MiG-25s flew several missions as well and first up is MiG-25RBF '38'. The only one that remained at Welzow in the 'Afghan' colour scheme:

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And one of the two-seat MiG-25UBs:

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Word got round about the withdrawal of the Fencers by mid-1993, so a last trip to see these 'swingers' as in order. Stayed a week in the eastern part of Germany, visiting Welzow three times during our stay. During the first visit they did not fly, nor did they fly during our second visit. However, one of the Fencers was parked in the engine test bay...

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All in our party where desperate to see some Su-24s fly before we had to return home so another visit had to be fitted into our schedule. Thankfully, Lady Luck was with us and several aircraft flew that day. Judging by the bord numbers, it might have been the same day as Mad Dan was there?

As we positioned ourselves at the south side of the airfield, we tried some take-off shots first:

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Before moving to a different spot for the arrivals:

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And not long after that the 11 ORAP returned back to the USSR. Those four years where extremely good fun and most people where very friendly. The bases operated by the Soviets often had massive holes in the perimeter fence used by locals as shortcuts! As many enthusiasts had been several times, I believe some classed themselves as locals at some point as well... :smile:

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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 6:07 pm

Lovely shots, Berry - you certainly did better than I on Red 38 and it looks like you got a mix of Su-24MRs with long and short belly pods. As for the 1993 visit, it could well have been the same day. I was there on 12 May 1993 (the day after 30 MiG-29s and three MiG-23UBs of the 787 IAP left from Finow). Not a lot of Fencer activity at Welzow, but I did get to shoot White 22, 23, 24, 26, 27 and 29...and believe there were some photographers in the next revetment along. Was that you, by any chance?
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Chuck on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 6:41 pm

:grin: Just can't believe it! The 12th of May it most certainly was. Completely forgot Finow withdrew the day before. Do you remember the MASSIVE que of people trying to get in to the base that day!!! Excellent day though. I remember 'swopping' a crew chiefs helmet for 10 Mark. Almost peanuts for us, but about a months wages for the poor bloke. I got our sparkies to change the plug so I could use it launching F-16s... :smile: All good fun.

Soooo many memories of these days. Quite possibly the best time enthusiasts could have really as nobody really cared at that time! I regret not trying Larz more often as I really only saw one MiG-27 land during the various visits. Happy I tried Altenburg a few times as this was about the only place who operated a handful of the old Fulcrum-As with ventral fins. I believe Zerbst had a few as well, although I never got to photograph them. Juterbog (Altes Lager) was great as well as the only MiG-23MLD base (saw my first ever Soviet fighter at this place, what a thrill!)...

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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 7:04 pm

What a coincidence... As for Finow, I was a bit late getting there and missed the first few MiG-29s going. We left London late the previous evening and drove overnight to Berlin, which was a bit of a flog - but it was well worth it and I loved seeing the three MiG-23s come out. They were amazing beasts.

I never made Altenberg as an active base, but was at Falkenberg on the day they were leaving. Luckily for us, the Poles closed the corridor and a bunch of about a dozen MiG-29s and two MiG-23UBs lobbed in to Falkenberg while we were there - including several with the ventral fins... Zerbst certainly had some with ventral fins and there were others at Falkenberg (at least one), Wittstock (three or four with blue codes, plus one Fulcrum-C 'White 39', as I recall) and Damgarten (at least three). I was lucky and got to shoot most of them. Also had one good hit at Juterbog shortly before they left.

As you say, great days - and right up there as the best of times... Even had my photo taken with a scarecrow (remember those?) at Larz on the day the MiG-27s flew out... There are some who have seen the photo and can't identify which is me and which is the scarecrow!!!
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Chuck on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 9:32 pm

Sorry to hear you arrived late at Finow. When they where landing from the east the base was great for photography. Not quite like Lossiemouth or Coltishall, but still very nice. Justed checked my notes (!) and I did indeed see a few MiG-29s with ventral fins at Zerbst. Never saw them fly though :sad: I remember searching a long time trying to find Köthen so see their MiG-29s. We eventually found the place, but not that many roads to take us near enough. I think it was in a weekend and not long after that they flew back to Russia. Wittstock is another place I had not that much luck with photography. Only saw them fly once, but the weather was pants. For some reason we stayed on the southern region a bit more. Only place of real interest was Templin with the many Su-17 Fitters. Very difficult to find in the middle of the forest, but once there, it was certainly worth it.

Scanning some Fulcrums as we speak. Needed a fix (as the Poles are still not at Leuchars). Will put them up later.

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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby rebel14 on Wed 05 Nov 2008, 10:40 pm

Great pics and great stories! :clap: It must of been so exciting but nerve racking at the same time!
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby scotthldr on Fri 07 Nov 2008, 9:54 am

Excellent shots from both Dan and Berry :rock: Surprised that these shots were obtainable without the risking the hospitality of the Soviets.
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Downes0106 on Fri 07 Nov 2008, 10:15 am

Wow! Would love to have seen those 25's. Never seen one - not even in a museum. :clap:
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby APG on Fri 07 Nov 2008, 10:59 am

Excellent shots from the pair of you, really brings back the memories.
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby IanH on Tue 11 Nov 2008, 8:05 pm

Just made my evening even better.....forgot to eat my fruit pie and ice cream this was so good. Fantastic Mr P. Too many superlatives I can`t even start. Regards, ian
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Re: Along the fence in Eastern Germany #3, Neu-Welzow

Postby Mad Dan on Tue 11 Nov 2008, 8:38 pm

Fruit pie and ice cream - bleeeaacccchhhhh... It has to be syrup sponge... You'll get your just desserts one of these days...but shouldn't that be Ian with a capital 'I'...
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