London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby PirateTrickster on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 12:57 pm

Hi all,

Apologies if there's a thread for this somewhere although I couldn't find it. I wasn't quite expecting up to (and I realise "up to" is ambiguous and could mean 20) 100 aircraft. I would assume that would need to include vintage aircraft from the likes of Shuttleworth if there's gonna be that many?

9 x Red Arrows
4 x Typhoons
4 x Tonka's
4 x Chinook
1 x A400M
1 x Voyager
7 x BBMF (Lanc, Dak + 5 fighters)

Gets to 30 - some way short of the proposed 100.

Thoughts?
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby cg_341 on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 1:13 pm

I think we can expect to see something along the lines of...

AW109
2 Chinooks
2 Pumas

2 Prefect
2 Texan II
4 Tucano
4 Hawk T.1
4 Hawk T.2
2 Phenom

Voyager + 2 Typhoons

Hercules
Atlas
Globemaster

Rivet Joint + 2 Tornados

Sentinel + 2 Tornados

4 Typhoons
4 Tornados
2 Lightning

'100' formation of Typhoons (24 I think?)

Red Arrows (9)

BBMF (7)

Which gets us up to 85. I really doubt we'll see civilian aircraft flown in formation with military aircraft over central London.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby PirateTrickster on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 1:38 pm

'100' formation of Typhoons (24 I think?)


==> so bring the wide angle lens?
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby kinglear27 on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 1:39 pm

cg_341 wrote:I think we can expect to see something along the lines of...

AW109
2 Chinooks
2 Pumas

2 Prefect
2 Texan II
4 Tucano
4 Hawk T.1
4 Hawk T.2
2 Phenom

Voyager + 2 Typhoons

Hercules
Atlas
Globemaster

Rivet Joint + 2 Tornados

Sentinel + 2 Tornados

4 Typhoons
4 Tornados
2 Lightning

'100' formation of Typhoons (24 I think?)

Red Arrows (9)

BBMF (7)

Which gets us up to 85. I really doubt we'll see civilian aircraft flown in formation with military aircraft over central London.


Maybe one of the RAF BAe 146s too?
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Airshowhammer on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 3:01 pm

i'd personally like to see some other nations take part. (i know one reply will be 'if you want to see that go to RIAT the following week'). Similar to Bastille day last year where the US flew over Paris. I'd like to see something like that, like someone said on here previously 'like your friends coming to celebrate your birthday'. Would like to see the final flypast as the reds in formation with something not just there big battle formation? :smile:
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby verreli on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 6:54 pm

The only special feature of that is the 100 formation. Can we expect that at RIAT on Friday?
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby verreli on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 7:01 pm

A 'RAF' formation similar to the E2R formation in 2012 would be 11+10+8=29 aircraft.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby effects on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 7:15 pm

I would have thought a few '9 ships' will be involved, Tucano, Tornado, Hawk etc
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby reheat module on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 7:20 pm

If the date is guaranteed, and there are sufficient working weekends for the Engineers, there may be a chance of an E-3D being there as well.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Stagger2 on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 8:22 pm

effects wrote:I would have thought a few '9 ships' will be involved, Tucano, Tornado, Hawk etc

Will we still have 9 x Tornado by then? Even without an air-spare it's a tall-order! All assuming they're no longer required for 'Shady Op's' :whistle:
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Fournier on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 11:04 pm

A long way from the multi-type flyovers back in the days when we actually had an Air Force to be reckoned with. Must break Her Majesty's heart to see how depleted her armed forces have become.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby ericbee123 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:27 am

Fournier wrote:A long way from the multi-type flyovers back in the days when we actually had an Air Force to be reckoned with. Must break Her Majesty's heart to see how depleted her armed forces have become.


Oh get over it. It isn’t the early 20th Century. We aren’t going to war with a large European nation. We haven’t got an Empire to control. The only “conflicts” we’ve been in recently, we have chosen to be in , against second tier opponents.

Russia and China are not going to start anything soon.

Other than your national pride, explain why we need more than we have now. We are still one of the strongest western countries, especially as we are a tiny little island surrounded by friendly nations.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby rdchawk on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:29 am

kinglear27 wrote:
cg_341 wrote:I think we can expect to see something along the lines of...

AW109
2 Chinooks
2 Pumas

2 Prefect
2 Texan II
4 Tucano
4 Hawk T.1
4 Hawk T.2
2 Phenom

Voyager + 2 Typhoons

Hercules
Atlas
Globemaster

Rivet Joint + 2 Tornados

Sentinel + 2 Tornados

4 Typhoons
4 Tornados
2 Lightning

'100' formation of Typhoons (24 I think?)

Red Arrows (9)

BBMF (7)

Which gets us up to 85. I really doubt we'll see civilian aircraft flown in formation with military aircraft over central London.


Maybe one of the RAF BAe 146s too?


I think at the start of the year there was a tweet from a Tucano squadron regarding practicing for this flypast as a big formation?
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby pb643 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:40 am

ericbee123 wrote:
Fournier wrote:A long way from the multi-type flyovers back in the days when we actually had an Air Force to be reckoned with. Must break Her Majesty's heart to see how depleted her armed forces have become.


Oh get over it. It isn’t the early 20th Century. We aren’t going to war with a large European nation. We haven’t got an Empire to control. The only “conflicts” we’ve been in recently, we have chosen to be in , against second tier opponents.

Russia and China are not going to start anything soon.

Other than your national pride, explain why we need more than we have now. We are still one of the strongest western countries, especially as we are a tiny little island surrounded by friendly nations.



Have you seen the news?

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Russia’s ambassador to Lebanon said any U.S. missiles fired at Syria would be shot down and the launch sites targeted, a step that could trigger a major escalation in the Syrian war.


UK and French military also rumoured to be involved.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby pb643 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:45 am

Before Christmas there was a formation practice of Typhoons, just the one photo on FC:

http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=155904&p=955063&hilit=typhoon+100+formation#p955063

I have a feeling it was 18 or 19 aircraft in total, but happy to be corrected.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby pb643 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 10:17 am

NTG1610 wrote:It will not look like this though

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DafoEfJX0AA2CwD.jpg:large


No, it will not! :lol:
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 11:25 am

pb643 wrote:Have you seen the news?

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Russia’s ambassador to Lebanon said any U.S. missiles fired at Syria would be shot down and the launch sites targeted, a step that could trigger a major escalation in the Syrian war.


UK and French military also rumoured to be involved.


And given the latest tweets made by the orange sociopath and the gullibility of HMG, other than the training aircraft the majority of the RAF may be otherwise engaged by the time the flypast's due to take place.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby ericbee123 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 11:27 am

pb643 wrote:
ericbee123 wrote:
Fournier wrote:A long way from the multi-type flyovers back in the days when we actually had an Air Force to be reckoned with. Must break Her Majesty's heart to see how depleted her armed forces have become.


Oh get over it. It isn’t the early 20th Century. We aren’t going to war with a large European nation. We haven’t got an Empire to control. The only “conflicts” we’ve been in recently, we have chosen to be in , against second tier opponents.

Russia and China are not going to start anything soon.

Other than your national pride, explain why we need more than we have now. We are still one of the strongest western countries, especially as we are a tiny little island surrounded by friendly nations.



Have you seen the news?

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Russia’s ambassador to Lebanon said any U.S. missiles fired at Syria would be shot down and the launch sites targeted, a step that could trigger a major escalation in the Syrian war.


UK and French military also rumoured to be involved.


Russia threatening to defend a partner IF WE ATTACK them. We would be the aggressors. Simple solution. Don’t bomb Syria and we won’t be at war with Russia.

Russia couldn’t care less if we’ve got 500 Typhoons or 120 or if we’ve got 1,000 tanks or 250. They are more concerned about our ability to chuck Instant Sunshine around. Always have been.

Sorry to go off topic.

I think that RAF 100 Flypast sounds good. I will be trying to make it down to That London for it. Unless we have been stupid and kicked off a war with Russia that neither side can win.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby cg_341 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 11:38 am

Ok, so glossing over all the why do we have so few aircraft bull, let's get back to it...

Updated based on some helpful comments...

AW109
2 Chinooks
2 Pumas

2 Prefect
2 Texan II
4 Hawk T.1
4 Hawk T.2
2 Phenom

9 Tucano formation

Voyager + 2 Typhoons

BAE146
Hercules
Atlas
Globemaster

Rivet Joint + 2 Tornados

Sentinel + 2 Tornados

4 Typhoons
4 Tornados
2 Lightning

'100' formation of Typhoons (24 I think?)

Red Arrows (9)

BBMF (7)

That's 91 aircraft...
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 12:25 pm

BBMF have 12 aircraft, according to the RAF website -
the Flight operates six Spitfires, two Hurricane Mk 2Cs, a Lancaster as well as a C47 Dakota and two Chipmunk aircraft (primarily used for training)

F-35s are all still in CONUS, aren't they? If so, will they drag any over here just for that?
You missed out the King Airs, Shadow R1s, Tutors, Griffins, Junos, Jupiters, Squirrels & Vigilant ( or have some of those already been binned? )
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby LN Strike Eagle on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 12:27 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:F-35s are all still in CONUS, aren't they? If so, will they drag any over here just for that?

The first ones are due at Marham in the first week of June IIRC.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Flare Path on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 12:50 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:BBMF have 12 aircraft, according to the RAF website -
the Flight operates six Spitfires, two Hurricane Mk 2Cs, a Lancaster as well as a C47 Dakota and two Chipmunk aircraft (primarily used for training)

F-35s are all still in CONUS, aren't they? If so, will they drag any over here just for that?
You missed out the King Airs, Shadow R1s, Tutors, Griffins, Junos, Jupiters, Squirrels & Vigilant ( or have some of those already been binned? )


Hm. Weren't the Squirrels due for retirement at the end of March?
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby cg_341 on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 12:52 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:BBMF have 12 aircraft, according to the RAF website -
the Flight operates six Spitfires, two Hurricane Mk 2Cs, a Lancaster as well as a C47 Dakota and two Chipmunk aircraft (primarily used for training)

F-35s are all still in CONUS, aren't they? If so, will they drag any over here just for that?
You missed out the King Airs, Shadow R1s, Tutors, Griffins, Junos, Jupiters, Squirrels & Vigilant ( or have some of those already been binned? )

Do the BBMF have 12 pilots/crew?

King Airs - all retired
Shadows - unlikely!
Tutors - single engine no dispensation (for overflight of central London)
Griffins - all retired
Junos - I don't think we'll see them involved
Jupiters - as above
Squirrels - all retired
Vigilant - single engine no dispensation

As LNSE says, there will be F-35s here by the time of the flypast, all going well.
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Re: London Flypast 10 July - up to 100 aircraft

Postby Brevet Cable on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 1:07 pm

Someone should tell the RAF, then, because their website still lists the King Airs, Griffins & Squirrels on strength.
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