Scampton Airshow 2018

Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby CJS on Wed 16 May 2018, 6:08 am

Well you can't all be right. Maybe the quote from the article is referring to an original expectation, which was then adjusted when the planning had got further down the line or something? Either way, DBH have no reason to actually lie or make up excuses, that wouldn't help then in any way would it.

Harkins: discalculia is the mathematical (or at least numerical) equivalent of dyslexia. It's only relatively recently that it's become better recognised.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby harkins on Wed 16 May 2018, 8:51 am

CJS wrote:Maybe the quote from the article is referring to an original expectation, which was then adjusted when the planning had got further down the line or something?


That's possibly true given the interview was published in November 2016 - a full 10 months prior to the show. This is the interview with Airshow Director Paul Sall. It should also be noted that the quote as published states; "developing the airfield's infrastructure so that it can support the arrival of more than 25,000 people, as well as aircraft of all shapes and sizes." More than could ultimately be anything.

Thanks for the dyscalculia info. Have to admit that in truth with me it's more just a case of not being either that good or interested in math and suffering that common condition of panicking and grabbing for the nearest calculator when faced with some mathmatics in public.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby XP282 on Wed 16 May 2018, 12:31 pm

All I can say is that we were talking about those ‘restricted’ ticked sales for year 1 a lot closer to the event than 10months.

It would be intersting to see when the annual accounts are made available just how big the loss was.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby RIAT Air Ops on Wed 16 May 2018, 7:59 pm

Dan O'Hagan wrote:Scampton was too expensive for what was a seaside line-up with knobs on.

At worst it was a cynical, lazy, tossed-off-in-their-tea-break-from-RIAT, it'll-do effort which failed to hoodwink those with the intelligence to see it for exactly what it was.


With that quote Dan you have spectacularly insulted a huge number of people who worked their backsides off to deliver the event. I'm not going to debate the pros and cons of it on here with you as you clearly feel you are best placed to make judgement, you're not.

For the record that is my view not that of RAFCTE/RIAT/Scampton Airshow.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby XP282 on Wed 16 May 2018, 10:01 pm

RIAT Air Ops. Interesting to see that you still read the Scampton thread.

Can you please answer a couple of questions?

How many tickets were you really hoping to sell over the course of the weekend?

Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019

Many thanks
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby RIAT Air Ops on Thu 17 May 2018, 11:39 am

XP282 wrote:RIAT Air Ops. Interesting to see that you still read the Scampton thread.

Can you please answer a couple of questions?

How many tickets were you really hoping to sell over the course of the weekend?

Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019

Many thanks


I dip into it when time allows.

The UKAR team asked those questions, suggest the answers are within the recent piece.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby XP282 on Thu 17 May 2018, 11:57 am

RIAT Air Ops wrote:
XP282 wrote:RIAT Air Ops. Interesting to see that you still read the Scampton thread.

Can you please answer a couple of questions?

How many tickets were you really hoping to sell over the course of the weekend?

Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019

Many thanks


I dip into it when time allows.

The UKAR team asked those questions, suggest the answers are within the recent piece.


With respect, if the answers were written in the piece then I wouldn't have asked the question!

If I asked you today can you guarantee that RIAT 2019 will go ahead, you would have to say no.... Nothing is guaranteed. So of course you cant make any guarantees over Scampton 2019 either. That is a very different question to mine... What I was asking is, 'Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019'?

Secondly, I was just hoping you would be able to clarify the figures re tickets. There are clearly mixed messages out there over how many you expected to sell. Residents etc were being told it was a maximum of 50,000. Were they given wrong information?

Sorry, there noting underhand in the questions and if they had been answered in the article then I wouldn't have asked them.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby RIAT Air Ops on Thu 17 May 2018, 12:17 pm

XP282 wrote:
RIAT Air Ops wrote:
XP282 wrote:RIAT Air Ops. Interesting to see that you still read the Scampton thread.

Can you please answer a couple of questions?

How many tickets were you really hoping to sell over the course of the weekend?

Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019

Many thanks


I dip into it when time allows.

The UKAR team asked those questions, suggest the answers are within the recent piece.


With respect, if the answers were written in the piece then I wouldn't have asked the question!

If I asked you today can you guarantee that RIAT 2019 will go ahead, you would have to say no.... Nothing is guaranteed. So of course you cant make any guarantees over Scampton 2019 either. That is a very different question to mine... What I was asking is, 'Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019'?

Secondly, I was just hoping you would be able to clarify the figures re tickets. There are clearly mixed messages out there over how many you expected to sell. Residents etc were being told it was a maximum of 50,000. Were they given wrong information?

Sorry, there noting underhand in the questions and if they had been answered in the article then I wouldn't have asked them.


Understood and with respect to you tickets and the associated messages are not my area so that's something for our marketing people. 2019? There's a whole raft of considerations before anyone can say its a realistic prospect.

I'm not being evasive here, I'm being honest. I know that's not what you want to hear but I'm not going to come onto a forum and say yes, it's realistic. It's as Andy said in the interview.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby disgruntled on Fri 18 May 2018, 8:45 am

RIAT Air Ops wrote:
Dan O'Hagan wrote:Scampton was too expensive for what was a seaside line-up with knobs on.

At worst it was a cynical, lazy, tossed-off-in-their-tea-break-from-RIAT, it'll-do effort which failed to hoodwink those with the intelligence to see it for exactly what it was.


With that quote Dan you have spectacularly insulted a huge number of people who worked their backsides off to deliver the event. I'm not going to debate the pros and cons of it on here with you as you clearly feel you are best placed to make judgement, you're not.

For the record that is my view not that of RAFCTE/RIAT/Scampton Airshow.


Yet again the "professional" journalist sinks to his standard gutter press language with comments that wouldn't look out of place in any of the publications that he so ritually lambasts. Really Dan, it is about time that you learnt the old adage, "If you have nothing constructive to say, say nothing at all". Constructively criticize by all means. Add thoughts for debate certainly. However; with almost every post, you bully, sensationalize and very often contradict your views from other posts. It's almost as if you have some sort of narcissistic need to post deliberately inflammatory or sensationalist comments just to create faux outrage.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby BossMann on Fri 18 May 2018, 2:16 pm

RIAT Air Ops wrote:
XP282 wrote:
RIAT Air Ops wrote:
XP282 wrote:RIAT Air Ops. Interesting to see that you still read the Scampton thread.

Can you please answer a couple of questions?

How many tickets were you really hoping to sell over the course of the weekend?

Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019

Many thanks


I dip into it when time allows.

The UKAR team asked those questions, suggest the answers are within the recent piece.


With respect, if the answers were written in the piece then I wouldn't have asked the question!

If I asked you today can you guarantee that RIAT 2019 will go ahead, you would have to say no.... Nothing is guaranteed. So of course you cant make any guarantees over Scampton 2019 either. That is a very different question to mine... What I was asking is, 'Is there any realistic prospect of the show returning in 2019'?

Secondly, I was just hoping you would be able to clarify the figures re tickets. There are clearly mixed messages out there over how many you expected to sell. Residents etc were being told it was a maximum of 50,000. Were they given wrong information?

Sorry, there noting underhand in the questions and if they had been answered in the article then I wouldn't have asked them.


Understood and with respect to you tickets and the associated messages are not my area so that's something for our marketing people. 2019? There's a whole raft of considerations before anyone can say its a realistic prospect.

I'm not being evasive here, I'm being honest. I know that's not what you want to hear but I'm not going to come onto a forum and say yes, it's realistic. It's as Andy said in the interview.



Firstly RIAT AirOps and all the team at DBH/ RAFCTE

Thank you for delivering a new airshow for the UK last year. Hopefully after the dust settles from the RAF100 RIAT you will consider staging another show at Scampton next year for the Red Arrows 55th Anniversary - you could target Red Arrows 'friends' and attract foreign aerobatic teams - a 'meet' of international aerobatic teams mixing it with the top foreign solo/ duo/ heli displays - a proper military airshow at an iconic RAF base.

So it would different to RIAT but still unique - similar to the recent shows held to celebrate the european display teams birthdays. You could even change the name so that it can be differentiated from the Scampton Airshow 2017 if you wanted, a bit like starting from scratch..

Could you go back to Waddington or is that still not possible?

I am keeping my fingers crossed for 2019 - we already know that Sanicole have moved their show a week later than in 2017 leaving that weekend open for Scampton/ Waddington/ wherever....
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby MiG_Eater on Fri 18 May 2018, 2:35 pm

BossMann, your idea is so obviously a good one it's just the kind of thing that might just get dismissed out of hand!

P.S. I think £39.00 for any airshow is good value for money...
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