Scampton Airshow 2018

Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby XX752 on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 7:47 am

Finningley Boy wrote:
XX752 wrote:
MiG_Eater wrote:But the point is, I can't help but think the hiding the show took from websites like this in some ways contributed to its demise. It certainly didn't help.

I guess BossMann's enthusiasm is the opposite. Maybe it will make a difference, maybe not - but I can't see that it will cause any harm; and it may just offer some encouragement.

Airshows are more important to people than many realise!


The comments on here did not contribute to it's demise, as a matter of fact the organisers seem to largely ignore pretty much anything that was put to them - poor line up, not value for money etc.

The initial feedback and press releases were indeed very positive, all that changed when it became apparent behind the scenes that Scampton was going to close - an airshow could not be seen to establish and grow on a base that is scheduled to close.


I certainly missed something here, the first I knew Scampton was going to close was last month not last year. When did you find out?

FB


Do you really believe the decision to close Scampton was only taken last month? This decision was taken some time before it was announced to the public. I think the first pointers were when the Defence minister during an interview he gave last year at Waddington to BBC Look North mentioned how important the RAF are in Lincolnshire and how they would continue to be so in the future, listing all the RAF bases in the county except Scampton, suggesting the decision was either taken or under consideration back then.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby Finningley Boy on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 8:56 am

XX752 wrote:
Finningley Boy wrote:
XX752 wrote:
MiG_Eater wrote:But the point is, I can't help but think the hiding the show took from websites like this in some ways contributed to its demise. It certainly didn't help.

I guess BossMann's enthusiasm is the opposite. Maybe it will make a difference, maybe not - but I can't see that it will cause any harm; and it may just offer some encouragement.

Airshows are more important to people than many realise!


The comments on here did not contribute to it's demise, as a matter of fact the organisers seem to largely ignore pretty much anything that was put to them - poor line up, not value for money etc.

The initial feedback and press releases were indeed very positive, all that changed when it became apparent behind the scenes that Scampton was going to close - an airshow could not be seen to establish and grow on a base that is scheduled to close.


I certainly missed something here, the first I knew Scampton was going to close was last month not last year. When did you find out?

FB


Do you really believe the decision to close Scampton was only taken last month? This decision was taken some time before it was announced to the public. I think the first pointers were when the Defence minister during an interview he gave last year at Waddington to BBC Look North mentioned how important the RAF are in Lincolnshire and how they would continue to be so in the future, listing all the RAF bases in the county except Scampton, suggesting the decision was either taken or under consideration back then.

No XX752, for Heaven's sake, I'm sure the decision wasn't taken last month, but the public announcement was. As for the cryptic analysis of the minister's comments, no, I wasn't aware of his comments and predictions for the future here on UKAR may chime with events from time to time, with the degree of constant negativity its inevitable that some blows will land. But I was going by official announcements only, not the rumour mill.

FB
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby BossMann on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 12:09 pm

From the above MAYBE RAFCTE knew about this last year and that's why they pulled the plug on the 2018 airshow so thy would not have to invest funds to sort out a site that is being disposed of......

But it is all speculation at present.

As mentioned by others above I'm sure RAFCTE will let us know when they are ready and hopefully let us know what their plans are for the new East of England Airshow venue if any.

I'm not really sure what other airfields there are in the 'East of England' that could accommodate a full military airshow..... I assume ex RAF Cottesmore/ Kendrew Barracks would be in contention as a previous RIAT host airfield? RAF Honington? Humberside Airport?

There used to be an airshow called Big Thunder Airshow which was held in the East Midlands somewhere but I don't know where ?? there was the Leicester International airshow in the 1990's too I think at Stoughton/ Leicester Airport but I don't think that is suitable now.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby Finningley Boy on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 1:39 pm

BossMann wrote:From the above MAYBE RAFCTE knew about this last year and that's why they pulled the plug on the 2018 airshow so thy would not have to invest funds to sort out a site that is being disposed of......

But it is all speculation at present.

As mentioned by others above I'm sure RAFCTE will let us know when they are ready and hopefully let us know what their plans are for the new East of England Airshow venue if any.

I'm not really sure what other airfields there are in the 'East of England' that could accommodate a full military airshow..... I assume ex RAF Cottesmore/ Kendrew Barracks would be in contention as a previous RIAT host airfield? RAF Honington? Humberside Airport?

There used to be an airshow called Big Thunder Airshow which was held in the East Midlands somewhere but I don't know where ?? there was the Leicester International airshow in the 1990's too I think at Stoughton/ Leicester Airport but I don't think that is suitable now.


BossMan,

If they knew last year for certain that the station was going to close, like some posters, then I don't think much of their antics. They have led everyone to imagine there is a chance that the show will return in 2019. If they were aware that the station was likely going to close, but not this year, then that would not necessarily prevent them from holding an air show this year. I therefore think their claim to have not made sufficient revenue for this year's show to go ahead with a display in 2018 without some in depth post-mortem, is honest. They have, as you'll be aware, yet to announce whether or not they will stage another air show? and where?

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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby iainpeden on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 9:08 pm

BossMann wrote:I'm not really sure what other airfields there are in the 'East of England' that could accommodate a full military airshow..... I assume ex RAF Cottesmore/ Kendrew Barracks would be in contention as a previous RIAT host airfield? RAF Honington? Humberside Airport?

There used to be an airshow called Big Thunder Airshow which was held in the East Midlands somewhere but I don't know where ?? there was the Leicester International airshow in the 1990's too I think at Stoughton/ Leicester Airport but I don't think that is suitable now.


The RAF Cottesmore runway has not received any maintenance since the Harriers left and the approach lights have been removed anyway; Big Thunder was at Bruntingthorpe which is now full of cars and I doubt you could get any jet larger than a JP into Leicester.
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby Finningley Boy on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 8:30 am

iainpeden wrote:
BossMann wrote:I'm not really sure what other airfields there are in the 'East of England' that could accommodate a full military airshow..... I assume ex RAF Cottesmore/ Kendrew Barracks would be in contention as a previous RIAT host airfield? RAF Honington? Humberside Airport?

There used to be an airshow called Big Thunder Airshow which was held in the East Midlands somewhere but I don't know where ?? there was the Leicester International airshow in the 1990's too I think at Stoughton/ Leicester Airport but I don't think that is suitable now.


The RAF Cottesmore runway has not received any maintenance since the Harriers left and the approach lights have been removed anyway; Big Thunder was at Bruntingthorpe which is now full of cars and I doubt you could get any jet larger than a JP into Leicester.


Indeed,

The only available remaining airfields are RAF ones, in the region, and they are now very few and far between. RAFCTE should approach their beneficiaries and ask if they would lend them another one of those to stage the air show? :biggrin:

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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby BossMann on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 11:37 am

I guess you are right, the RAF continued to hold airshows at RAF Finingley until 1994 when the base physically closed its doors and the organisers made the swift move to RAF Waddington so in theory RAFCTE could still use Scampton until its doors close in 2022.... but it may make more logistical sense to pick another venue that won't involve them having to move in the near future

The current other operational RAF bases in the 'east of England' and therefore potential venues are:

RAF Coningsby – is it too busy at the weekend to host an airshow?
RAF Waddington – venue of ‘ex RAF Airshow’ but airshow was kicked out due to runway repairs/ security issue due to ISTAR base
RAF Syerston – current home to the gliding school and new aviation academy?? Potential??
RAF Cranwell – is there enough space for an airshow?
RAF Barkston Heath - ?? potential
RAF Wittering – mentioned issues of proximity to A1 but otherwise good size ?? potential
RAF Honington – ?? potential
RAF Marham – again is it too busy to host an airshow at a weekend?
RAF Wyton – ?? Potential

RAF Mildenhall – USAF going to leave soon, home of ex RAF Mildenhall Air Fete?? potential
RAF Lakenheath – too busy with USAF stuff?

Apologies if I have missed any other bases, I haven't included north Yorkshire so not included RAF Leeming/ Topcliffe / Linton (closing anyway) as I am not sure what the RAFCTEs catchment of 'East on England' is exactly

Also the future home of the Reds could be a possibility as it will have the training airspace and hence no airspace issues or issues with surrounding housing etc... but no one knows where that is going to be .....

Hopefully at some point RAFCTE will tell us what their plans are, but I guess they have a lot of thinking to do before they decide themselves.

Good luck to Duxford as the RAF100 finale show ( was going to be Scampton originally ) - I wonder if Scampton had the RAF displays/ flypasts announced for Duxford plus some foreign Military displays given that the Belgian Air Days haven't taken absolutely everything like Sanicole did last year RAF Scampton 2018 could have been a success.... I guess we'll never know
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby Finningley Boy on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 3:17 pm

Boss Man,

Looking at your list I think Honington and Wyton are no longer or soon to be no longer active!? As for Coningsby, the RAF used to hold a regular air day here from about 1977 up to 1993. In all that time the Base was quite busy, as was Leuchars throughout the time that it hosted the only Battle of Britain at home North of the Border. I can't quite imagine why Coningsby is any the more rushed off its feet now compared with then at the height of the cold war, introducing the Tornado ADV into service, maintaining Southern QRA etc? What is noticeably different other than more units and personnel, there is an argument here that they are better disposed toward staging an air show. Lakenheath, same here, though not as bust as when they had the F-111Fs. Four Squadrons instead of three. Yet they often held an open house, I think the honest truth is that military ethos has drifted away from seeing the prestige and efficacy of air shows as a form of opening up the books to let the tax payer have a scan at what the air arm end of their defence budget GBPs are being spent on. However, we'll see what tomorrow brings, as I've said, we've yet to get a response from the RAFCTE about their intentions. So far they haven't uttered a peep about the official public announcement of the closure of RAF Scampton.

FB :cuppa:

PS What about Leeming, or here's an off the wall suggestion for those who truly believe we are the United Kingdom, what about Leuchars :hide:
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Re: Scampton Airshow 2018

Postby rockfordstone on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 3:24 pm

BossMann wrote:I guess you are right, the RAF continued to hold airshows at RAF Finingley until 1994 when the base physically closed its doors and the organisers made the swift move to RAF Waddington so in theory RAFCTE could still use Scampton until its doors close in 2022.... but it may make more logistical sense to pick another venue that won't involve them having to move in the near future

The current other operational RAF bases in the 'east of England' and therefore potential venues are:

RAF Coningsby – is it too busy at the weekend to host an airshow?
RAF Waddington – venue of ‘ex RAF Airshow’ but airshow was kicked out due to runway repairs/ security issue due to ISTAR base
RAF Syerston – current home to the gliding school and new aviation academy?? Potential??
RAF Cranwell – is there enough space for an airshow?
RAF Barkston Heath - ?? potential
RAF Wittering – mentioned issues of proximity to A1 but otherwise good size ?? potential
RAF Honington – ?? potential
RAF Marham – again is it too busy to host an airshow at a weekend?
RAF Wyton – ?? Potential

RAF Mildenhall – USAF going to leave soon, home of ex RAF Mildenhall Air Fete?? potential
RAF Lakenheath – too busy with USAF stuff?

Apologies if I have missed any other bases, I haven't included north Yorkshire so not included RAF Leeming/ Topcliffe / Linton (closing anyway) as I am not sure what the RAFCTEs catchment of 'East on England' is exactly

Also the future home of the Reds could be a possibility as it will have the training airspace and hence no airspace issues or issues with surrounding housing etc... but no one knows where that is going to be .....

Hopefully at some point RAFCTE will tell us what their plans are, but I guess they have a lot of thinking to do before they decide themselves.

Good luck to Duxford as the RAF100 finale show ( was going to be Scampton originally ) - I wonder if Scampton had the RAF displays/ flypasts announced for Duxford plus some foreign Military displays given that the Belgian Air Days haven't taken absolutely everything like Sanicole did last year RAF Scampton 2018 could have been a success.... I guess we'll never know


Much of Wyton's runway is closed fenced off now, part of it is leased as storage for a local firm, the rest has recently been leased out to store cars on. i would imagine the locals would complain as the ex forces housing is now private. there is also the A428 which runs next to it. I'd love one there though as I only live in the next town over.
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