BHA Whip rule + ban.

[Dragon Rapide]

So I conclude from that that that were the whip to be banned so that no rider was disadvantaged races would be raced and horses and riders would win or lose, as they do now.

Which begs two questions - why have the whip in the first place and why not ban it altogether? Who benefits from its use? Not the horse, I presume.

[aceyone]

Am I right in thinking that no whip is used in show jumping/eventing such as Hickstead ? if so the horses seem to manage over much higher and iffier jumps etc without being " painfully persuaded "

[Abingdonman]

So I conclude from that that that were the whip to be banned so that no rider was disadvantaged races would be raced and horses and riders would win or lose, as they do now.

Which begs two questions - why have the whip in the first place and why not ban it altogether? Who benefits from its use? Not the horse, I presume.

I can only go by what I've heard top jockeys & trainers say over the years,because this argument has been around for years (hence updating the whip a few years back)but I gather some horse's only respond to a whip to get the best out of them,the big money come's into the argument then I suppose,and make the difference between a winner & an also ran,but of course a race will always be won by something,whip or not....
I'm not saying I would be against a whip ban personally,even if it did make it less exciting to watch a finish etc...
the new rules wil be relaxed shortly anyway I would think,but the whip is not going to banned altogether sometime soon!

[Dragon Rapide]

Mmmm - same as nearly every other sport now - MONEY at the root of it!!

[Abingdonman]

Mmmm - same as nearly every other sport now - MONEY at the root of it!!

Well you see,for striking his horse 6 times in the last furlong,instead of the permitted 5, a jockey lost his win percentage and riding fee on Saturday at Ascot....a cool £55,000!
so,he'll be appealing for sure

[Dragon Rapide]

!!!

[Eelmoor]

Mmmm - same as nearly every other sport now - MONEY at the root of it!!

Well you see,for striking his horse 6 times in the last furlong,instead of the permitted 5, a jockey lost his win percentage and riding fee on Saturday at Ascot....a cool £55,000!
so,he'll be appealing for sure

Bet he wished he had paid more attention in Maths while at school, he would of been able to count then

[Abingdonman]

Mmmm - same as nearly every other sport now - MONEY at the root of it!!

Well you see,for striking his horse 6 times in the last furlong,instead of the permitted 5, a jockey lost his win percentage and riding fee on Saturday at Ascot....a cool £55,000!
so,he'll be appealing for sure

Bet he wished he had paid more attention in Maths while at school, he would of been able to count then

Ah,but he has excuses!..
We are talking about Christophe Soumillon here,he's a Belgian fella based in France,its a new ruling that applies only in this country,he was a in a tightish finish for a half million pound prize race,and anyway.....who else but the UK could have such a complicated whip rule in place,when a simple one would do!

[Eelmoor]

Whats complicated about 2 times before the last furlong and 5 after ???

[Abingdonman]

Whats complicated about 2 times before the last furlong and 5 after ???

Perhaps you had better ask the jockeys that have already been banned and fined why they seemingly can't count?
I would think it's probably because they have to concentrate on the job they have been hired for,as well as the maths....maybe it's not so easy as playing Abacus in the audience

[Eelmoor]

If the much malighned players in the Football association can understand the offside rule, it doesnt say much for the jockeys does it ??

[Dragon Rapide]

It's the dreaded buzz word "multitasking", which none of us is supposed to know how to do!! Riding and adding - that's a big ask!

[Abingdonman]

If the much malighned players in the Football association can understand the offside rule, it doesnt say much for the jockeys does it ??

Someone understand's the offside rule? ...you could have fooled me
I remember the confusion in football when they first banned barging the goalie to force the ball in the net somehow.... saw it happen once or twice,football was MUCH more fun then!

[Eelmoor]

If the much malighned players in the Football association can understand the offside rule, it doesnt say much for the jockeys does it ??

Someone understand's the offside rule? ...you could have fooled me
I remember the confusion in football when they first banned barging the goalie to force the ball in the net somehow.... saw it happen once or twice,football was MUCH more fun then!

Dont remember them threatening to strike over it though they learnt and adapted, or most did, and those that didnt found they were no longer needed in a team that kept conceeding free kicks due to their misinterpritation of the new rules

[Thumper]

Am I right in thinking that no whip is used in show jumping/eventing such as Hickstead ? if so the horses seem to manage over much higher and iffier jumps etc without being " painfully persuaded "

Whips are used in show jumping and eventing by many riders, spurs are commonplace as well which is something you don't see in racing.

A few years ago a show jumper competing at Hickstead literally beat his horse around the head repeatedly with his whip after the horse refused a jump. He was fined and banned from competing for several months. It was a live broadcast and it was a disgusting thing to watch and caused outrage.

Most recently in the news was Prince Harry for excessive use of his spurs on his Polo pony which left the pony with 2 bloody "holes" in his flank. No action was taken against him.

[Abingdonman]

I see Uncle Bulgaria ..errr John McCririck,had a page in the DM against using the whip,surprised me to be honest,apparently also Peter o'Sullivan & John Francombe are anti whip too...
I rode a horse once and it frit me to death,I was hanging on at a trot,so I can only admire those that ride them!

[aceyone]

Am I right in thinking that no whip is used in show jumping/eventing such as Hickstead ? if so the horses seem to manage over much higher and iffier jumps etc without being " painfully persuaded "

Whips are used in show jumping and eventing by many riders, spurs are commonplace as well which is something you don't see in racing.

A few years ago a show jumper competing at Hickstead literally beat his horse around the head repeatedly with his whip after the horse refused a jump. He was fined and banned from competing for several months. It was a live broadcast and it was a disgusting thing to watch and caused outrage.

Most recently in the news was Prince Harry for excessive use of his spurs on his Polo pony which left the pony with 2 bloody "holes" in his flank. No action was taken against him.

Whoops,my bad,thanks for correcting me Thumps