Asbestos in the ceiling?

Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby CJS on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 9:50 pm

No, not my new band name, but a quick Sunday night question please - Google is proving a bit nondefinitive for once!

My father in law is planning to fit a new loft hatch in my 1994 house which involves cutting a portion of ceiling away.

Is there any chance the artex may contain asbestos and if so is there a way to safely mitigate this without spending a fortune?

Cheers learned folk - any vaguely sensible advice be appreciated.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby psquiddy on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 10:28 pm

It looks like Artex does contain asbestos. There is some useful information here:

https://www.aic.org.uk/asbestos-in-artex/
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby f4phixeruk on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 11:01 pm

Council have just done an Asbesots survey in my house. One of the things checked and samplaes taken from was the Artexed ceiling in every room. Seems Asbestos dust may have been mixed in with the covering. I'm awaiting the results :question:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby CJS on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 6:45 am

Thanks for the link psquiddy. Problem I've got is that *most* builders had stopped using it by 1994 and it was banned in all building in the UK by 1999, but the company who built my house no longer exist to ask them. So it seems the only safe thing to do is assume there is and take necessary precautions.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby Wrexham Mackem on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 11:25 am

Hell, I didn't realise there was asbestos in Artex. I have been tempted to take a sander to our ceilings once or twice, as I really don't care for the stuff. I'll think twice now.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby st24 on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 11:54 am

Artex should be asbestos free from 1990 ish but that shouldn't be taken as Gospel, after all all builders are meticulous guys who follow environmental law and procedures very seriously right?!?!! I'd always err very much on the side of it "probably does" - same with anything that may contain asbestos. Oh and be careful with Marley type flooring tiles, old loft boiler/pipe lagging, insulation, eaves, gutters, soffits, integral cupboards, garages, lean tos... In fact leave your houses now!! :shock:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby capercaillie on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 2:15 pm

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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby AlexC on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 3:59 pm

Unless absolutely necessary I'd give up on the new loft hatch idea. If you must have it I'd contact a specialist asbestos removal company for advice.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby CJS on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 4:44 pm

I think you might be on to something! Shame though, it's all wooden and posh looking.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby AlexC on Mon 30 Oct 2017, 5:10 pm

I attended a course on asbestos, asbestos cement etc. quite some time ago now and came away with the impression that it's best to leave well alone if at all possible, as it was used for all sorts of purposes as mentioned above. But people shouldn't get too paranoid about the stuff, it should be perfectly safe unless it's damaged therefore releasing the fibres into the air, although I don't know if I believe that if you breathe in one fibre then you're dead which I've heard said.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 10:23 am

Had a chat with one of my neighbours, ex council worker who now works for one of the local housing associations refurbishing houses.
If it's 1994, there's still a good chance that there's asbestos in the artex, as others have already posted.
The good news is that the content is very small, usually less than 1%, and the layer of artex shouldn't be very thick anyway ( a couple of mm at most )...in most older houses, you tend to find that most of the 'artex' is actually layers of paint which has been applied over the years.
You can buy proper artex remover, which you paint on & leave for several hours, which softens the artex and allows it to be safely scraped off.
Alternatively, you can use an ordinary wallpaper steamer to do the same job.
You'll then be able to cut the ceiling board as normal.
Painting over the remaining artex will seal it.

Bog-standard PPE ( paper 'noddy suit' & dust mask ) is all that's required.

Being a teacher, unless it's a new-build you're more at risk of asbestos dust at the school you work at than you are at home.


As an aside...
The owners of the building I work in had an asbestos survey done earlier this year ( built back in the '60s )
As professional qualified testers, what do you think they did ?
Did they drill small sampling holes using vacuum-drills to minimise the risk of dust, then seal the holes over afterwards?
Nope....they smacked dirty great holes using 4Lb lump-hammers, leaving the place looking like someone'd been on the rampage with a 12-gauge !! :shock:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby starbuck on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 11:48 am

Brevet Cable wrote:Bog-standard PPE ( paper 'noddy suit' & dust mask ) is all that's required.



Seeing as how you will be working above head height you may as well go PPE to the max and include eye protection, hard hat, toe tectors and gloves. But definitley eye protection.
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 12:12 pm

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Unless you want to be really safe, then...
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby AlexC on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 2:36 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:As an aside...
The owners of the building I work in had an asbestos survey done earlier this year ( built back in the '60s )
As professional qualified testers, what do you think they did ?
Did they drill small sampling holes using vacuum-drills to minimise the risk of dust, then seal the holes over afterwards?
Nope....they smacked dirty great holes using 4Lb lump-hammers, leaving the place looking like someone'd been on the rampage with a 12-gauge !! :shock:


In my experience, that is certainly not to be recommended! :shock:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby Talldan76 on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 4:35 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:
Unless you want to be really safe, then...
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:biggrin:


Erm, one of the thing's about Asbestos is that it's fireproof?
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby Brevet Cable on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 4:48 pm

Shhhh.....if he burns his house down he won't have to worry about the asbestos :lol:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby Talldan76 on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 4:52 pm

Brevet Cable wrote:Shhhh.....if he burns his house down he won't have to worry about the asbestos :lol:


At least something will be left standing... :lmao:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby CJS on Tue 31 Oct 2017, 10:34 pm

Wibble...

...I might go and live in a tent in the forest. Everything's so bloody dangerous!

Seriously though, thanks all for your help and tips especially Alex and BC for finding out stuff for me.

You're right about school, we have asbestos in 6 places, but inaccessible (now) and it's deemed no risk so long as it's not disturbed.

Bit like the teachers really :-P:-o
Anyway, safety precautions taken and child removed from the house for the day, including major cleanup operation, and the new loft hatch is in.

I'll let you know in 30years if there was any asbestos!
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby AlexC on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 10:48 am

[quote="CJS"]You're right about school, we have asbestos in 6 places, but inaccessible (now) and it's deemed no risk so long as it's not disturbed.

That is one of the recommended solutions, known as to encapsulate. It should be recorded that it's there though, so that someone in the future doesn't get a nasty shock if they should take a hammer to the encapsulating material! Doh!!! :sad:
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby CJS on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 6:52 pm

I investigated further today. There are small stickers on the ceiling where the asbestos is located and it gets checked very 6months for safety. Phew!!
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Re: Asbestos in the ceiling?

Postby AlexC on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:32 am

Sounds like it's under control! :up:
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