Chrisse wrote:Finningley Boy wrote:Indeed, I think we only got the Belgian F-16 at Scampton this year because the Tiffy solo did the evening only display at Sanicole.
FB
Uhm no, and it didn't
nor the Reds!!...
Chrisse wrote:Finningley Boy wrote:Indeed, I think we only got the Belgian F-16 at Scampton this year because the Tiffy solo did the evening only display at Sanicole.
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Uhm no, and it didn't
TornadoAlex wrote:Sad news I for one was looking forward to Scampton 2018 especially with the RAF's birthday sadly many people today prefer to spend their spare time "enjoying" themselves walking round shopping centres like zombies rather than doing something interesting or exciting like attending an airshow.
Take Cheshire Oaks as an example every weekend is the same mile long tailback countless police cars and bikes just to marshal people into a god forsaken shopping complex people actually choose this abject misery what a clown act
The joy and excitement of an airshow is a recent thing for me I first attended a show in 2014 since then I have been hooked. Going a bit off topic but for many years I have attended motorsport events (oulton park especially) and often I think to myself where is everyone why do so few attend something so exciting and worthwhile?
I think one of the issues is cultural back in the day people would attend events now all they want to do is sit in and watch Netflix or whatever. My view may be simplistic but I am certain modern day culture has a lot to do with current situation.
speedbird2639 wrote:". Now if the airshow organisers could fine some way of tapping into the tribalism of football that keeps the paying customer coming back week after week and year after year even though 90% of the clubs have no chance of any recognisable success or reward then they would be laughing and airshows would be booming!
mavvymoo wrote:TornadoAlex wrote:Sad news I for one was looking forward to Scampton 2018 especially with the RAF's birthday sadly many people today prefer to spend their spare time "enjoying" themselves walking round shopping centres like zombies rather than doing something interesting or exciting like attending an airshow.
Take Cheshire Oaks as an example every weekend is the same mile long tailback countless police cars and bikes just to marshal people into a god forsaken shopping complex people actually choose this abject misery what a clown act
The joy and excitement of an airshow is a recent thing for me I first attended a show in 2014 since then I have been hooked. Going a bit off topic but for many years I have attended motorsport events (oulton park especially) and often I think to myself where is everyone why do so few attend something so exciting and worthwhile?
I think one of the issues is cultural back in the day people would attend events now all they want to do is sit in and watch Netflix or whatever. My view may be simplistic but I am certain modern day culture has a lot to do with current situation.
The thing is that nowadays there are so many alternative ways of thrill seeking and perhaps (just perhaps) air displays have become unfashionable with the British public. Tens (if not hundreds) of thousands shell out money every other week for tickets at prices that even RIAT might be embarrassed by for 90 minutes of unpredictable entertainment at football stadiums up and down the country. Perhaps that is the key - for one reason or another air displays have become predictable and uninspiring. Something is needed to spark re-engagement with the masses in order to make them an attractive proposition to organise and attend. Sadly our litigious and in some cases risk-averse society is depriving our innovation of the oxygen that it needs.
XP282 wrote:I don’t want to air dirty laundry in public and will therefore refrain for voicing my opinion on why the show failed to meet expectations, other than to say I don’t think it was down to the team at Scampton. I think if they were able to organise the show the way they wanted then it would have been a great success. There is some great experience there.
andrewn wrote:But the implication being that RAF/MOD/MAA have no appetite for air displays and were more than happy to see Scampton fail? Or am I reading too much into this?
XP282 wrote:The days of actually inviting people to your airshow seem to be long gone!
cg_341 wrote:XP282 wrote:The days of actually inviting people to your airshow seem to be long gone!
Not an airshow, but we invited the French in April...
XP282 wrote:I don’t want to air dirty laundry in public and will therefore refrain for voicing my opinion on why the show failed to meet expectations, other than to say I don’t think it was down to the team at Scampton. I think if they were able to organise the show the way they wanted then it would have been a great success. There is some great experience there.
However, one think I want to comment on is this bl00dy Park and ride! The show didn’t fail because of a park and ride. There was a park and ride in place for those who wanted to use it. Equally there was a public footpath instated across the farmers field direct into the camp for the many that wanted to walk. A walk that was still far less than the walk from some RIAT car parks. If RIAT put on a bus people would probably thank them... Scampton put on a bus and it’s the failure of the show. Financially it might have hurt the organisers, but it was no reason for any member of the public not to go!
XP282 wrote:cg_341 wrote:XP282 wrote:The days of actually inviting people to your airshow seem to be long gone!
Not an airshow, but we invited the French in April...
I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that??
speedbird2639 wrote:I'm convinced that after missing 2018 someone from the RAF media arm will come out in early 2019 to say something to the effect of:
"Following a reappraisal of RAF spending priorities and better understanding how we interact with the public, coupled with the failure of the initial RAF Scampton air show in 2017 to reach predetermined targets and objectives we have reluctantly decided not to pursue the option of a 2019 show."
Or some other equally meaningless marketing department drivel; though their version will probably run to 500 words when it could have been said in one sentence.
XP282 wrote:The days of actually inviting people to your airshow seem to be long gone!
speedbird2639 wrote:I'm convinced that after missing 2018 someone from the RAF media arm will come out in early 2019 to say something to the effect of:
"Following a reappraisal of RAF spending priorities and better understanding how we interact with the public, coupled with the failure of the initial RAF Scampton air show in 2017 to reach predetermined targets and objectives we have reluctantly decided not to pursue the option of a 2019 show."
Or some other equally meaningless marketing department drivel; though their version will probably run to 500 words when it could have been said in one sentence.
XP282 wrote:andrewn wrote:But the implication being that RAF/MOD/MAA have no appetite for air displays and were more than happy to see Scampton fail? Or am I reading too much into this?
No, the fact that the opportunity to get some really interesting aircraft to the show were turned down because ‘that’s not how it’s done anymore’. The days of actually inviting people to your airshow seem to be long gone! As I said, this isn’t a critism of the people at Scampton - one person in particular who I know worked tirelessly to make the show a success. Someone who I have a great amount of respect for.
some really interesting aircraft to the show were turned down because ‘that’s not how it’s done anymore’.
RIAT Air Ops wrote:
I respect your earlier comment not to air the washing in public so if you have an appetite to share via PM then please do.
Cheers, Tom
BossMann wrote:Tom / RIAT Air Ops,
Can you give us any information on 'what went wrong' and possibly what is being looked at for the return of the scampton show in 2019?
Will it still be 'Scampton Airshow' or will it change its name as an entirely new show? Will it be the Red Arrows 55th Anniversary show?
Sanicole has shifted its date already in 2019 to the 3rd weekend in September so no potential clash in 2019 with the show that pretty much took all foreign flying displays in 2017.
Berf wrote:BossMann wrote:Tom / RIAT Air Ops,
Can you give us any information on 'what went wrong' and possibly what is being looked at for the return of the scampton show in 2019?
Will it still be 'Scampton Airshow' or will it change its name as an entirely new show? Will it be the Red Arrows 55th Anniversary show?
Sanicole has shifted its date already in 2019 to the 3rd weekend in September so no potential clash in 2019 with the show that pretty much took all foreign flying displays in 2017.
Not sure what this has to do with Tom why don't you try asking Scampton Airshow Ltd. I am sure Tom is far to busy sorting out the Chinese for RIAT
Spotty_Jag wrote:XP282 wrote:The days of actually inviting people to your airshow seem to be long gone!
You think air arms of the world turn up of their own accord at Fairford/Yeovilton/Biggin Hill/Cosford etc each year then?