Anyway, I tend to find that the flying is mostly above the height of the corporate tents

CJS wrote:As had been said again and again, there's plenty of unobstructed crowdline to be had.
Anyway, I tend to find that the flying is mostly above the height of the corporate tents
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speedbird2639 wrote:CJS wrote:As had been said again and again, there's plenty of unobstructed crowdline to be had.
Not if you like to take take off/ landing shots there isn't - the red sector crowdline is packed out about 30 mins after the gates open. Blue sector is taken up with all the chalets and corporate 'stools' and if you were to attempt it from the Green sector you would need a 600mm lens with a 1.4x AND a 2.0x converter on it! Modern fighters can turn so tightly if you are in Red or Green you won't see much of a fast jet display.
Brevet Cable wrote:Don't forget, though, that those in the Green & Red zones get to see things that those in the Blue zone - especially those in FRIAT & the other central enclosures - don't.
The Baron wrote:RIAT Air Ops wrote:Dan O'Hagan wrote:By way of comparison, clubs in the Bundesliga produce A4-sized programmes not unlike RIAT's in terms of number of pages. I think Bayern Munich's is under €2 this season, and the same sort of price at Dortmund and Schalke. They might get discounts for producing them for 17 home games a year as opposed to RIAT's annual order, but there is no way on Earth a £15 magazine can be justified, especially when the content is wafer-thin and heavily subsidised.
When UKAR next cosy up to Armstrong, perhaps the programme rip-off can be addressed.
Merry Christmas Dan. Rather than quoting costs for Germany why not quote the costs for an equivalent Premier League game in England?
Tom
Tom,
Could you at least ask the question to your peers at DBH as to why the programme costs are so high?
RIAT Air Ops wrote:Dan O'Hagan wrote:By way of comparison, clubs in the Bundesliga produce A4-sized programmes not unlike RIAT's in terms of number of pages. I think Bayern Munich's is under €2 this season, and the same sort of price at Dortmund and Schalke. They might get discounts for producing them for 17 home games a year as opposed to RIAT's annual order, but there is no way on Earth a £15 magazine can be justified, especially when the content is wafer-thin and heavily subsidised.
When UKAR next cosy up to Armstrong, perhaps the programme rip-off can be addressed.
Merry Christmas Dan. Rather than quoting costs for Germany why not quote the costs for an equivalent Premier League game in England?
Tom
Dan O'Hagan wrote:RIAT Air Ops wrote:Dan O'Hagan wrote:By way of comparison, clubs in the Bundesliga produce A4-sized programmes not unlike RIAT's in terms of number of pages. I think Bayern Munich's is under €2 this season, and the same sort of price at Dortmund and Schalke. They might get discounts for producing them for 17 home games a year as opposed to RIAT's annual order, but there is no way on Earth a £15 magazine can be justified, especially when the content is wafer-thin and heavily subsidised.
When UKAR next cosy up to Armstrong, perhaps the programme rip-off can be addressed.
Merry Christmas Dan. Rather than quoting costs for Germany why not quote the costs for an equivalent Premier League game in England?
Tom
Sure thing Tom. A Premier League programme is £3.50-£4 at most clubs. So not quite £15.
The comparison with Germany was that theirs are similar to the DBH book of adverts in terms of size and number of pages. Premier League programmes tend to be A5 and thinner.
speedbird2639 wrote:@airshowhammer
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Finally - someone who gets it!!
Agreed - move the corporate tents and the chalets etc* South of the static and leave crowdline free of clutter.
(*) I'm prepared to make an exception for the FRIAT grandstand but even that should be moved back from the front of the crowdline so the rear of the grandstand is on the Northern edge of the taxiway where the static is parked and the area in front of the grandstand opened up to the general public.
Regarding the retail outlets well that is just DBH proving they will take £ from anyone as long as the cheque clears. Not sure why people buy non aviation specific tat at air shows when these days you will almost certainly get a better selection and more competitive price online - just wait til you get home!
jalfrezi wrote:I was in the green zone this year and it wasn't a great experience, everything seemed so far away. But as they say, if you can't beat them, join them - so I've gone Mach2 next year....
tankbuster81 wrote:jalfrezi wrote:I was in the green zone this year and it wasn't a great experience, everything seemed so far away. But as they say, if you can't beat them, join them - so I've gone Mach2 next year....
I see why you are doing this , but in essence your forced to pay a lot more money just to get a better view.It isn't right, the admission ticket alone is not a cheap deal, and if you buy a programme (I'm not jumping on to that thread) by the time you enter the showground proper, your almost £60 in the red.
CJS wrote:Again, the phrase "better view" is entirely subjective. I've little interest in the aircraft on the ground, whether taxiing taking off or landing, so for me the view is perfect as long as I don't choose to stand right behind a grandstand (or one of the machine gun photographers with the 3 foot lenses). Which would obviously be stupid so I don't do it.
You have a choice to by a FRIAT package. Quite clearly no-one is making anyone do it, and there is - there just is - plenty of crowdline to be had as long as you are prepared to get there early.
You may not like the chalets and the grandstands, but move them, lessen the view from them or remove them altogether and it's not difficult to see what will end up happening.
Let's not forget that we don't know what kind of deals we're talking about when bringing in the Bundesliga. As Dan told us, Bayern, BVB und Schalke are about the same price. Makes me wonder if there isn't a deal between the DFB (German equivalent of the FA) and a printing company, bringing programs for ALL Bundesliga games under one contract. You might get more of a discount if you put those all under one deal. If that is a wrong assumption, maybe the clubs have contracts covering more than their football-programs, but also the programs for the other sports they participate in?davidjones533 wrote:And how many home games per season are there? I.e. how many opportunities to make money from programmes compared to an annual event. Let’s not forget that RIAT are trying to raise funds for charity, whereas football clubs are under pressure to keep costs low for fans given their other, quite disgusting, levels of income from other sources.
Dan O'Hagan wrote:RIAT Air Ops wrote:Dan O'Hagan wrote:By way of comparison, clubs in the Bundesliga produce A4-sized programmes not unlike RIAT's in terms of number of pages. I think Bayern Munich's is under €2 this season, and the same sort of price at Dortmund and Schalke. They might get discounts for producing them for 17 home games a year as opposed to RIAT's annual order, but there is no way on Earth a £15 magazine can be justified, especially when the content is wafer-thin and heavily subsidised.
When UKAR next cosy up to Armstrong, perhaps the programme rip-off can be addressed.
Merry Christmas Dan. Rather than quoting costs for Germany why not quote the costs for an equivalent Premier League game in England?
Tom
Sure thing Tom. A Premier League programme is £3.50-£4 at most clubs. So not quite £15.
The comparison with Germany was that theirs are similar to the DBH book of adverts in terms of size and number of pages. Premier League programmes tend to be A5 and thinner.
Go4Long wrote:On topic...for a change.
Do we assume that the weekly announcements are due to start this Thursday?
Isn't DBH on leave until the end of the week?Go4Long wrote:On topic...for a change.
Do we assume that the weekly announcements are due to start this Thursday?
aviodromefriend wrote:Isn't DBH on leave until the end of the week?Go4Long wrote:On topic...for a change.
Do we assume that the weekly announcements are due to start this Thursday?
TijnvandeBeld wrote:Go4Long wrote:On topic...for a change.
Do we assume that the weekly announcements are due to start this Thursday?
No, I think the next update will be somewhere at the end of February, judging by last year’s announcements...
CJS wrote:This year's first announcements were in, what, October? November?
As gets repeated ad infinitum on here every year, nothing is confirmed by DBH until all is are dotted and ts crossed. Some other shows don't follow this and get caught out as a result.
The show - special or not - isn't until July. I don't see why weekly announcements would start earlier than they usually do.
Let's not forget that we've already had confirmation of F-35 and Canadian Hornet displays. Hardly a shabby start.
Aaaand...breathe (sorry, first day of term)
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