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Postby Wrexham Mackem on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 10:43 pm

I'm loving the Red Pelicans schemed JP. Proper airshow heritage there. It would look nice next to the Yellowjacks Gnat, if it were to join the static display, hint hint. :smile:
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Postby Finningley Boy on Thu 11 Jan 2018, 11:29 pm

borismorris wrote:Not many shows I can think of had the Swiss Pilatus display team last year. Nor the B1. I've never seen Sally B play chicken with a B-52 before and the Italian Tornado was many folks star of the show not the Typhoon.


It's easy to slate Cosford, I just don't know why anybody would feel it necessary.

I've stated the reasons. Its still a show top heavy with filler, despite the odd gem, the gems should represent much greater weight.

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PS Have a look at Leuchars 2000 in the Golden Oldies section, apart from the pics, there is a description of the flying content on that day on 16 September 2000, That is what the RAF Centenary airshow should look like, not pointing out that there might be a single Tornado and perhaps a B-52 whistling past with Sally B.
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Postby capercaillie on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 9:41 am

Finningley Boy wrote:PS Have a look at Leuchars 2000 in the Golden Oldies section, apart from the pics, there is a description of the flying content on that day on 16 September 2000, That is what the RAF Centenary airshow should look like, not pointing out that there might be a single Tornado and perhaps a B-52 whistling past with Sally B.


As others have pointed out though FB, and we do appear to be going round in circles here, the RAF centenary show is going to be at FAIRFORD, so who says it won't look like this though, or theoretically be substantially bigger than any Leuchars event.

Abingdon in 1968 didn't feature anything other than RAF types including a stack of museum pieces, OK the 24 Lightnings and 24 Victors/Vulcans will be harder to replicate but who knows at this stage what flypasts may be planned.

Cosford is part of the celebrations but not the main event. If Cosford manage to put on as best an event as it can manage considering the restraints of the airfield and demonstrate a good history of the RAF with support from appropriate overseas nations, what is the problem? :dunno:
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Postby PeterR on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 10:01 am

st24 wrote:Whilst on the subject of JPs and derivatives - whatever happened to this camo Strikemaster from last year?? :dunno:

I believe it's still sat in NWMAS's hangar at Chester, the paperwork with the CAA took them a lot longer than expected. I'd expect to see it out and about this year, but I guess Mark will confirm on his social media. @StrikeDisplayUK
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Postby RS2 on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 12:56 pm

This is not a criticism, just an enquiry, but as the website states - "RAF100 will be the sole theme for the flying display at the RAF Cosford Air Show 2018. With 100 years of history to cover, the programme will include a huge number of historic Royal Air Force aircraft. The flying display programme will be flown in chronological order immersing our visitors in the RAF100 story and showcasing how aircraft and air power has developed during the last 100 years." where does a Strikemaster and Battlefield Support Theme fit ?

Edit - I shall leave my original post (above) so that the following reply makes sense, but dunces hat on for me as I can now see that the post was simply referring to the aircraft and it wasn't anything to do with this years show.
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Postby capercaillie on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 1:07 pm

RS2 wrote: where does a Strikemaster and Battlefield Support Theme fit ?


Last year? :whistle:
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Postby Finningley Boy on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 3:15 pm

capercaillie wrote:
Finningley Boy wrote:PS Have a look at Leuchars 2000 in the Golden Oldies section, apart from the pics, there is a description of the flying content on that day on 16 September 2000, That is what the RAF Centenary airshow should look like, not pointing out that there might be a single Tornado and perhaps a B-52 whistling past with Sally B.


As others have pointed out though FB, and we do appear to be going round in circles here, the RAF centenary show is going to be at FAIRFORD, so who says it won't look like this though, or theoretically be substantially bigger than any Leuchars event.

Abingdon in 1968 didn't feature anything other than RAF types including a stack of museum pieces, OK the 24 Lightnings and 24 Victors/Vulcans will be harder to replicate but who knows at this stage what flypasts may be planned.

Cosford is part of the celebrations but not the main event. If Cosford manage to put on as best an event as it can manage considering the restraints of the airfield and demonstrate a good history of the RAF with support from appropriate overseas nations, what is the problem? :dunno:

Ok Caipers,

If RIAT is now the principal RAF public event, then fair enough, it never used to be, however, much the RAF were central to it. I imagined that Cosford being the sole RAF sponsored event, it was the service focus as unlikely as that could possibly promise to be given the size of the airfield and lack of space for anything should it manage to fly in. I'm not against the Cosford airshow per sey, whatever it may seem like. But other than RIAT, still a civilian/service charities event, the RAF perhaps should have a Leuchars or Waddington size and format of event? Abingdon in 1968, although the official RAF event for that year was outshone in terms of overall participation at the various other RAF events that year, culminating in the eight stations open in September, all on the 14th. It wasn't the resources available at the time that made the difference but the level of effort overall. Admittedly, times have changed, over the last five years alone!

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Postby jasonT1981 on Fri 12 Jan 2018, 5:49 pm

Great War Display Team confirmed

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Postby Spotty_Jag on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 12:50 pm

From what I've read so far, and seen in how the aircraft attending each show is likely to shape up I think the following will happen: RIAT will be the focal point for the world's air forces to send their aircraft to join the celebration, with the airpower conference and centenary parade in the week of the show meaning lots of VIP attendees. However Cosford looks to be focusing on the history of the RAF with their static line-up and chronological flying display with lots of warbirds. But as capercaillie said, hopefully still an assortment of international participants who have close links with the RAF - link Battle of Britain contributors - at Cosford too. Cosford is still the RAF's show, even if RIAT is taking the lead for international celebrations. Two very different events, both of which could be excellent, given the right support from the RAF with actual aeroplanes!
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Postby TYPHOON3 on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 5:45 pm

Spotty_Jag wrote:From what I've read so far, and seen in how the aircraft attending each show is likely to shape up I think the following will happen: RIAT will be the focal point for the world's air forces to send their aircraft to join the celebration, with the airpower conference and centenary parade in the week of the show meaning lots of VIP attendees. However Cosford looks to be focusing on the history of the RAF with their static line-up and chronological flying display with lots of warbirds. But as capercaillie said, hopefully still an assortment of international participants who have close links with the RAF - link Battle of Britain contributors - at Cosford too. Cosford is still the RAF's show, even if RIAT is taking the lead for international celebrations. Two very different events, both of which could be excellent, given the right support from the RAF with actual aeroplanes!

Don't think you will be far away with a lot of this.It's still early days for most of the International teams to announce their schedules.Hopefully we will get a decent flypast from the RAF but the rest will be from their usual display teams.Hopefully a Spitfire/Typhoon synchro again.
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Postby jasonT1981 on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 7:21 pm

What way does the seating work at Cosford Club? Is it assigned to you in advance, or on arrival? Or is it first come first serve?

Also, I noticed last year it was said about extra trains, and is on the website about them again this year. Right now the first train out of Birmingham International is 9am, do they tend to be earlier than that, and do they go from Birmingham International, or would I have to get down to New Street for one of the 'extra' trains they talk about on the website?
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Postby Domvickery on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 7:52 pm

jasonT1981 wrote:What way does the seating work at Cosford Club? Is it assigned to you in advance, or on arrival? Or is it first come first serve?

Also, I noticed last year it was said about extra trains, and is on the website about them again this year. Right now the first train out of Birmingham International is 9am, do they tend to be earlier than that, and do they go from Birmingham International, or would I have to get down to New Street for one of the 'extra' trains they talk about on the website?


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Postby ColeTheDemolisher on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 10:31 pm

Domvickery wrote:You’d probably have to change at Wolves


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Postby Luke28 on Sat 13 Jan 2018, 11:58 pm

Don't all the specials for the Airshow start at New Street? I live in wolves and I've never got on a train thats started from Wolves.
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Postby JasonPC on Sun 14 Jan 2018, 9:19 am

jasonT1981 wrote:What way does the seating work at Cosford Club? Is it assigned to you in advance, or on arrival? Or is it first come first serve?


First come, first served. It’s a fenced off area with what are basically picnic tables and chairs. Plenty of room though but if you want a table at the front you need to not roll in at the last minute.
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Postby jasonT1981 on Mon 15 Jan 2018, 4:35 pm

thanks guys.

Looks like Lightning ZF580 from CAHC will be on static as part of a few QRA aircraft. Retweeted by Cosford airshow Twitter.

http://www.cornwallaviationhc.co.uk/cah ... show-2018/

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Postby capercaillie on Mon 15 Jan 2018, 4:43 pm

jasonT1981 wrote:thanks guys.

Looks like Lightning ZF580 from CAHC will be on static as part of a few QRA aircraft.

http://www.cornwallaviationhc.co.uk/cah ... show-2018/


Hopefully, they'll give her a false serial and code to match up with a 74sqn machine as well, as ZF580 will look silly. :biggrin:
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Postby Berf on Mon 15 Jan 2018, 4:47 pm

While of course I want a decent flying display my main interest is to see a number of aircraft outside that are not seen outside anymore in a variety of scenarios. So far this seems to be shaping up nicely. There seems to be great deal of effort going into this and that's where my problem lies. If it ******** down on the one day we get to see it, all that effort will be for very little. I am not asking for two days of flying but an extra afternoon or maybe evening to look and photograph these static displays. Nightshoots etc are now extremely popular - this could be one of the few opportunities ever to photograph some of these aircraft and people seem to be prepared to pay for the opportunity so why not satisfy the demand!
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Postby jasonT1981 on Mon 15 Jan 2018, 7:17 pm

Now to see if they can wheel the Vulcan, Victor and Valiant out of the museum for the weekend :D

(Yes, I know this is very, very unlikely)
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Postby Finningley Boy on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 9:41 am

RS2 wrote:This is not a criticism, just an enquiry, but as the website states - "RAF100 will be the sole theme for the flying display at the RAF Cosford Air Show 2018. With 100 years of history to cover, the programme will include a huge number of historic Royal Air Force aircraft. The flying display programme will be flown in chronological order immersing our visitors in the RAF100 story and showcasing how aircraft and air power has developed during the last 100 years." where does a Strikemaster and Battlefield Support Theme fit ?

Edit - I shall leave my original post (above) so that the following reply makes sense, but dunces hat on for me as I can now see that the post was simply referring to the aircraft and it wasn't anything to do with this years show.

More to the point what are they going to do to maintain continuity in the great 100 year old story once they reach the mid-1950s? :lol:

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Postby borismorris on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 9:59 am

What do you suggest they do FB? :roll:
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Postby cg_341 on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 12:14 pm

Finningley Boy wrote:More to the point what are they going to do to maintain continuity in the great 100 year old story once they reach the mid-1950s? :lol:

Off the top of my head...

Hunter
Jet Provost
Whirlwind
Heron

Maybe even get the Swift from Doncaster!

Next attempt at belittling the event...GO! ;)
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Postby Xray833 on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 2:52 pm

cg_341 wrote:
Finningley Boy wrote:More to the point what are they going to do to maintain continuity in the great 100 year old story once they reach the mid-1950s? :lol:

Off the top of my head...

Hunter
Jet Provost
Whirlwind
Heron

Maybe even get the Swift from Doncaster!

Next attempt at belittling the event...GO! ;)


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Postby Finningley Boy on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 7:28 pm

cg_341 wrote:
Finningley Boy wrote:More to the point what are they going to do to maintain continuity in the great 100 year old story once they reach the mid-1950s? :lol:

Off the top of my head...

Hunter
Jet Provost
Whirlwind
Heron

Maybe even get the Swift from Doncaster!

Next attempt at belittling the event...GO! ;)

Don't know where your going to find a flying Hunter? Apart from Holland or Sweden of course, mind you if the aim is just to parade all but the front line from there onwards then fair enough! You might have a Canberra who knows. Pity we're not Sweden, then we could have full representation of the frontline, seamlessly! :wink:

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Postby The Baron on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 7:43 pm

Finningley Boy wrote:Don't know where your going to find a flying Hunter? Apart from Holland or Sweden of course, mind you if the aim is just to parade all but the front line from there onwards then fair enough! You might have a Canberra who knows. Pity we're not Sweden, then we could have full representation of the frontline, seamlessly! :wink:

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