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Brevet Cable wrote:Only fair the Germans are there, given their contribution to the founding & continued existance of the RAF. :biggrin:

Oh, and.... Meh !! Statics only !!


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Great to see a boost to the number of modern fast jets on static. Great support from the Germans yet again! :smile:

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Romainian Mig-21 :up:
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Skyflash wrote:You're as reliable as clockwork. A damned irritating clock, admittedly, but reliable nonetheless.

I refer the honourable gentleman to my post following last week's announcement of the Mig-21 participation. :tongue:
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Bit disappointing from the German Navy at this stage, a Lynx or Sea King would be far nicer than the semi-civvy EC-135. Still, their choice.

Are we ever going to see a CH-53 again, such a stalwart for years and when are any of these countries (Germany, France, Spain) ever going to send a Tiger/Tigre or one of their NH-90s? :hypno:
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verreli wrote:Romainian Mig-21 :up:
Statics :sleepy:


German statics :sleepy:
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Meh !!
The tiger-themed Tornados looked better.
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Ooooo the elusive Luftwaffa A400 :grin:

Nice update, but agree, need to see their CH53 back, lovely machine :love:
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capercaillie wrote:Bit disappointing from the German Navy at this stage, a Lynx or Sea King would be far nicer than the semi-civvy EC-135. Still, their choice.

Are we ever going to see a CH-53 again, such a stalwart for years and when are any of these countries (Germany, France, Spain) ever going to send a Tiger/Tigre or one of their NH-90s? :hypno:


That is the least desirable aircraft the German Navy could have sent but we can still hope to get a Sea King or a P-3 at a later date can't we? And the German Army is still listed as invited so a CH-53 is still possible - but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Going back to the EC-135; does anyone know why they're civilian registered? Is it just the way things are going like with some of our own training aircraft?

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Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.

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harkins wrote:
capercaillie wrote:Bit disappointing from the German Navy at this stage, a Lynx or Sea King would be far nicer than the semi-civvy EC-135. Still, their choice.

Are we ever going to see a CH-53 again, such a stalwart for years and when are any of these countries (Germany, France, Spain) ever going to send a Tiger/Tigre or one of their NH-90s? :hypno:


That is the least desirable aircraft the German Navy could have sent but we can still hope to get a Sea King or a P-3 at a later date can't we? And the German Army is still listed as invited so a CH-53 is still possible - but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Going back to the EC-135; does anyone know why they're civilian registered? Is it just the way things are going like with some of our own training aircraft?


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It’s a superb update today with some great boosts to the static including a virtual doubling of fast jets.

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capercaillie wrote:CH-53s are all with the Air Force now.

And adding chalked lettering on the side to make it read 'CLuftwaffeS wouldn't quite have the same ring to it. :biggrin:
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capercaillie wrote:CH-53s are all with the Air Force now.

Oh right. I guess there's less than a snowball's chance in hell in that case.

Still, despite that it's an excellent show from the Luftwaffe - particularly given the recent run of reports about their lack of serviceable air-frames, problems with their fuel, budget restraints etc.

The recently published report on the "Operational Readiness of the Bundeswehr’s Primary Weapons Systems 2017" gave these figures for the availability of types we've been discussing;

Typhoon jets: 39 of 128
Tornado jets: 26 of 93
CH-53 transport helicopters: 16 of 72
NH-90 transport helicopters: 13 of 58
Tigre attack helicopters: 12 of 62
A400M transport aircraft: 3 of 15

"...the document revealed. The Luftwaffe’s main forces — the Eurofighter and Tornado fighter jets and its CH-53 transport helicopters — are only available for use an average of four months a year"

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Was looking at the confirmed aircraft and the Czech Gripen is coming from the 211 squadron, and they have a tiger scheme on one of their Gripens. Hope it comes!
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Kevyboy1979 wrote:Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.


What part of a nation sending *six* airframes do you find disappointing exactly? You either need to manage your expectations or begin to appreciate how good this show is *already* shaping up ten weeks out.

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Brevet Cable wrote:
capercaillie wrote:CH-53s are all with the Air Force now.

And adding chalked lettering on the side to make it read 'CLuftwaffeS wouldn't quite have the same ring to it. :biggrin:


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Really hope we get the Ghost Tiger from TLG-74.

Fantastic German support. :up:

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jason82wells wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.


What part of a nation sending *six* airframes do you find disappointing exactly? You either need to manage your expectations or begin to appreciate how good this show is *already* shaping up ten weeks out.


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CJS wrote:
jason82wells wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.


What part of a nation sending *six* airframes do you find disappointing exactly? You either need to manage your expectations or begin to appreciate how good this show is *already* shaping up ten weeks out.


Or he needs to stop trolling.


Why? Am I not allowed an opinion as all you lot have one nearly everyday and I don't criticise all of you so why you saying I need to stop?

I was only disappointed cause it's only static aircraft as would have been good to see a German aircraft doing a routine.

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Kevyboy1979 wrote:
CJS wrote:
jason82wells wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.


What part of a nation sending *six* airframes do you find disappointing exactly? You either need to manage your expectations or begin to appreciate how good this show is *already* shaping up ten weeks out.


Or he needs to stop trolling.


Why? Am I not allowed an opinion as all you lot have one nearly everyday and I don't criticise all of you so why you saying I need to stop?

I was only disappointed cause it's only static aircraft as would have been good to see a German aircraft doing a routine.


Germany no longer perform any flying routines - they haven't for quite some years now.

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duffspeed wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:
CJS wrote:
jason82wells wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.


What part of a nation sending *six* airframes do you find disappointing exactly? You either need to manage your expectations or begin to appreciate how good this show is *already* shaping up ten weeks out.


Or he needs to stop trolling.


Why? Am I not allowed an opinion as all you lot have one nearly everyday and I don't criticise all of you so why you saying I need to stop?

I was only disappointed cause it's only static aircraft as would have been good to see a German aircraft doing a routine.


Germany no longer perform any flying routines - they haven't for quite some years now.


Noooo........! Don't tell me The Vikings team, with their F104Gs, have stopped doing displays. :sad:

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duffspeed wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:
CJS wrote:
jason82wells wrote:
Kevyboy1979 wrote:Bit of a disappointing update today just the Germans for static hopefully we get another surprise update like last week and the start of this week when the Royal Navy and Romanian acts were announced for flying and static.


What part of a nation sending *six* airframes do you find disappointing exactly? You either need to manage your expectations or begin to appreciate how good this show is *already* shaping up ten weeks out.


Or he needs to stop trolling.


Why? Am I not allowed an opinion as all you lot have one nearly everyday and I don't criticise all of you so why you saying I need to stop?

I was only disappointed cause it's only static aircraft as would have been good to see a German aircraft doing a routine.


Germany no longer perform any flying routines - they haven't for quite some years now.


I know that was what I was trying to point out as would be great to see a German plane doing a routine instead of always static.

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To be fair to Kevyboy, I do sympathise as well. I am fortunate enough to be able to see all the arrivals and departures for the show, so something being on static display, as opposed to flying, doesn't make a massive difference to me. However, if I was only attending on the actual show days I would be a bit disappointed with a static only update.

For me, this is a great update - but you know... different strokes.

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