RIAT 2019

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Big Eric wrote:
IATthenRIAT wrote:Just discovered its also RAFBF 100th anniversary this year, surely that should bring something.


Hopefully this will see a nice line of collecting tins in the static park. :grin:

Surrounded by green cones :rofl:

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borismorris wrote:
Big Eric wrote:
IATthenRIAT wrote:Just discovered its also RAFBF 100th anniversary this year, surely that should bring something.
<br abp="680"><br abp="681">Hopefully this will see a nice line of collecting tins in the static park. :grin:
<br abp="682">Surrounded by green cones :rofl:


As long as the bouncy castle and fun fair isn't positioned behind the tins , it wont ruin the photographs :lol:

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An evening show on the Friday is honestly what I think is missing. I'm more likely to pay the Friday price for a 4 hour evening show (like other big European shows do) than paying the same price to just see half as many aircraft...

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Not that I know much in this regard, but I doubt a Friday evening show is viable. The showground needs to be closed to the public in enough time for the site to be made ready for Saturday morning.

The volunteers also need their rest!

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Gonzo230 wrote:
The volunteers also need their rest!


Not legally, no. Since they're daft enough to perform work for a company without a contract of employment or remuneration they do not have any working time protections.

They could be told to work 23 hours a day for ten days.

Now not many of them would choose to return the next year, but that's tangential.

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On the other hand they’re not obliged to turn up if the organisers are taking the Michael. So no, the organisers wouldn’t be so daft to pull a trick like that.

Suffice to say it’s a non starter

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G67 wrote:
Gonzo230 wrote:
The volunteers also need their rest!


Not legally, no. Since they're daft enough to perform work for a company without a contract of employment or remuneration they do not have any working time protections.

They could be told to work 23 hours a day for ten days.

Now not many of them would choose to return the next year, but that's tangential.

How do you know there is no contract or agreement in place for the Volunteers? I myself have done voluntary work and i had a agreement/contract. For volunteers working on an air base surrounded by military aircraft and equipment im sure there's a contract/agreement of some sort.
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I never thought I would long for the days when people were arguing about a country that there weren't even rumours about coming to RIAT in this thread...but now there's an argument going on about volunteers work rest rules and here we are.

this thread is about RIAT 2019. What agreements RIAT has or doesn't have with volunteers is not relevant, although I'm sure there's a thread somewhere on this forum for you idiots to argue with each other in.

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You guys, seriously. :lol:

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G67 wrote:
Gonzo230 wrote:
The volunteers also need their rest!


Not legally, no. Since they're daft enough to perform work for a company without a contract of employment or remuneration they do not have any working time protections.

They could be told to work 23 hours a day for ten days.

Now not many of them would choose to return the next year, but that's tangential.


We are going off topic now, but I used the word ‘need’, not legally entitled.

However, you are incorrect. The ATC staff (of whom I’m one) are legally required to follow CAP670, including the Scheme for the Regulation of Air Traffic Controllers’ Hours. Just because we don’t get paid doesn’t mean legal obligation disappears.

Not sure I agree with your ‘daft’ assessment, either. But thanks for the thought! :up:

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mark_aviation wrote:An evening show on the Friday is honestly what I think is missing. I'm more likely to pay the Friday price for a 4 hour evening show (like other big European shows do) than paying the same price to just see half as many aircraft...


The volunteers need a chance to rest - fatigue leads to accidents and mistakes - things that any airshow has to minimise. They (we) are on duty show days from well before the gates open through to well after gates close (or the airfield is open/closed) and for many that's done for an entire week - for some it is for weeks. There just aren't enough volunteers available to run a shift system to allow for an evening show to occur.

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boff180 wrote:
mark_aviation wrote:An evening show on the Friday is honestly what I think is missing. I'm more likely to pay the Friday price for a 4 hour evening show (like other big European shows do) than paying the same price to just see half as many aircraft...


The volunteers need a chance to rest - fatigue leads to accidents and mistakes - things that any airshow has to minimise. They (we) are on duty show days from well before the gates open through to well after gates close (or the airfield is open/closed) and for many that's done for an entire week - for some it is for weeks. There just aren't enough volunteers available to run a shift system to allow for an evening show to occur.

Just wondering how other shows that run a full weekend event also manage to put on a Friday evening show- are their volunteers robots?? (Adding that I've no real interest in a night show, god forbid anything to raise Friday ticket prices even more...)
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We really don't have much to talk about do we :tumbleweed:

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Airshowhammer wrote:We really don't have much to talk about do we :tumbleweed:


Well, the updates aren’t exactly much to talk about at the moment are they?

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Frogfoot wrote:
Airshowhammer wrote:We really don't have much to talk about do we :tumbleweed:


Well, the updates aren’t exactly much to talk about at the moment are they?


I know it was sort of rhetorical :grin:

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Frogfoot wrote:
Airshowhammer wrote:We really don't have much to talk about do we :tumbleweed:


Well, the updates aren’t exactly much to talk about at the moment are they?


Nope, patiently waiting for the hyped up e.mail saying that microlights and radio-controlled models are coming!!! :whistle:
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AMB wrote:
Frogfoot wrote:
Airshowhammer wrote:We really don't have much to talk about do we :tumbleweed:


Well, the updates aren’t exactly much to talk about at the moment are they?


Nope, patiently waiting for the hyped up e.mail saying that microlights and radio-controlled models are coming!!! :whistle:


Tease, you're telling me that some microlights will confirm? Whats your source? What do you know that we don't. :yahoo: :ninja:

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Sworn to secrecy I'm afraid...

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MicrolightDriver wrote:Sworn to secrecy I'm afraid...


Bank holiday extravaganza folks :love:

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Anybody had their FRIAT payment taken out yet?

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Abbo46 wrote:Anybody had their FRIAT payment taken out yet?


Mine went November - April. So no payment this month.

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Opted for a single payment instead of direct debit this year, not had anything come out yet.

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Abbo46 wrote:Opted for a single payment instead of direct debit this year, not had anything come out yet.


I never knew you could do it as DD, silly me :sad:

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I was one signal FRIAT payment went out in November
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