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At least they have answered that part, and good news it is. :up: :biggrin:
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Very nice news. Lets hope all the aircraft stick around for static display on the Sunday.

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Still hoping the Sunday people get something extra, still time yet, could just be announced on the Sunday itself so still an exciting prospect!

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I know many have said they should announce what the Sunday flypasts will be as it will sell more tickets but perhaps they are keeping them as a surprise just as the B-2 on Saturday last year and on the Sunday the year before were kept quiet.

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JJC wrote:Interesting that the NATO E-3 is down as an E-3D?

Good to see so much of the flypast will be operating from Fairford.


Will it be available to see on Sunday though?
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Still surprised no RAF Atlas on the list yet, sent two for the last two years, appreciate the kerfuffle going on in the press regarding serviceability may be stopping commitment.

So the final question remains is Japan sending anything this year? I think it was announced about the time they were departing last year, they do like to leave it late. :ninja:
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Andyperkins wrote:I know many have said they should announce what the Sunday flypasts will be as it will sell more tickets but perhaps they are keeping them as a surprise just as the B-2 on Saturday last year and on the Sunday the year before were kept quiet.


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That’s a real shame if it turns out to be a E-3D. It’s still on the website as an E-3A though.

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mark_aviation wrote:That’s a real shame if it turns out to be a E-3D. It’s still on the website as an E-3A though.


I'd have thought it will be NATO's birthday bird if its serviceable. :up:
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capercaillie wrote:
mark_aviation wrote:That’s a real shame if it turns out to be a E-3D. It’s still on the website as an E-3A though.


I'd have thought it will be NATO's birthday bird if its serviceable. :up:


They have tagged the NATO AWACS force in the tweet, so presume it will be a NATO example and this is just another example of poor attention to detail from the PR department.

Their twitter account is @E3AComponent :facepalm:
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Andyperkins wrote:I know many have said they should announce what the Sunday flypasts will be as it will sell more tickets but perhaps they are keeping them as a surprise just as the B-2 on Saturday last year and on the Sunday the year before were kept quiet.


What does that achieve though?

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capercaillie wrote:At least they have answered that part, and good news it is. :up: :biggrin:

Just those pesky Eagles and possible legacy marked KC to get..
I do hope the RAF Typhoons have the NATO anniversary stickers!! :rock: :up:
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Andyperkins wrote:I know many have said they should announce what the Sunday flypasts will be as it will sell more tickets but perhaps they are keeping them as a surprise just as the B-2 on Saturday last year and on the Sunday the year before were kept quiet.


I have been one of the people saying that (more than once). I also said that if it *is* the B-2, they should just commit to the surprise and not say a word; like they did during the previous two appearances. The secret-squirrelling just grates and is irritating. It’s not a surprise if for several months prior you’ve hinting at a flypast and not telling anyone about it.

And they end each mention of a Sunday flypast with “we’ll bring you more news as soon as we can”. Well, if they are keeping it a secret (under directions of the flypastee or otherwise), they they obviously won’t “give us more news” as soon as they can, because the first we’ll hear about it is when the commentary starts hyping it up after some keen-eyed crowd members have spotted it holding somewhere.

So if it’s not the B-2, they *must* have an idea what this Sunday flypast is by now. As I said back god knows when and god knows how many times, they could at least be as transparent as they used to be and say what they’re working on, even in ultra vague terms; “we hope to tribute the brave pioneers of space travel and exploration” or... Christ idk, “we’re trying hard to arrange a special D-Day commemoration flypast on Sunday”.

Just... something!

Until then, Schrödinger’s Sunday flypast continues to irritate, rather than whet the appetite.

For me, at any rate.

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Separately, the French ‘135 is a splendid addition. :king:

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Great news that the flypast will largely be Fairford based. That makes a huge difference to the overall quality of the show.

Still not convinced they'll be able to integrate the aircraft into the static park for Sunday but, fingers crossed that they can get some over though, especially any that have special markings.

capercaillie wrote:So the final question remains is Japan sending anything this year? I think it was announced about the time they were departing last year, they do like to leave it late. :ninja:

I honestly can't remember but, wasn't the C-2 sent as a joint effort between the JASDF and Kawasaki with Farnborough arguably the primary reason they came over last year?

And I seem to recall seeing both the P-1 and C-2 pictured at Paris a few weeks back. Quite soon for a another visit to Europe perhaps?

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harkins wrote: I honestly can't remember but, wasn't the C-2 sent as a joint effort between the JASDF and Kawasaki with Farnborough arguably the primary reason they came over last year?


You're right, you don't :grin: Never went to Farnborough.

They're going everywhere these days, they've been in Canada recently on exercise, so number of visits doesn't seem to come into it. It will be US-2 this year anyhow, I can feel it in my bones. :ghost:
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capercaillie wrote:
harkins wrote: I honestly can't remember but, wasn't the C-2 sent as a joint effort between the JASDF and Kawasaki with Farnborough arguably the primary reason they came over last year?


You're right, you don't :grin: Never went to Farnborough.

They're going everywhere these days, they've been in Canada recently on exercise, so number of visits doesn't seem to come into it. It will be US-2 this year anyhow, I can feel it in my bones. :ghost:


Ha ha, I knew I'd be wrong! The US-2 would be great but I'm sure we'd know by now as somebody would have seen the giant paddling pool being constructed for the role demo.

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st24 wrote:
capercaillie wrote:At least they have answered that part, and good news it is. :up: :biggrin:

Just those pesky Eagles and possible legacy marked KC to get..
I do hope the RAF Typhoons have the NATO anniversary stickers!! :rock: :up:


If almost all of the flypast is going to be based at ffd and it doesn't all bugger off on Saturday night, is there a particular reason why it couldn't be put on again in the Sunday? I guess it doesn't actually imply they will return to ffd after the flypast though, so maybe that's part of it.
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CJS wrote:
st24 wrote:
capercaillie wrote:At least they have answered that part, and good news it is. :up: :biggrin:

Just those pesky Eagles and possible legacy marked KC to get..
I do hope the RAF Typhoons have the NATO anniversary stickers!! :rock: :up:


If almost all of the flypast is going to be based at ffd and it doesn't all bugger off on Saturday night, is there a particular reason why it couldn't be put on again in the Sunday? I guess it doesn't actually imply they will return to ffd after the flypast though, so maybe that's part of it.



Thought this covered that well enough...

Factors that can affect the ability of an aircraft (or flypast) to appear on each day can include cost, availability of an airframe, a crew’s flying hours and commitments elsewhere.
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CJS wrote:
st24 wrote:
capercaillie wrote:At least they have answered that part, and good news it is. :up: :biggrin:

Just those pesky Eagles and possible legacy marked KC to get..
I do hope the RAF Typhoons have the NATO anniversary stickers!! :rock: :up:


If almost all of the flypast is going to be based at ffd and it doesn't all bugger off on Saturday night, is there a particular reason why it couldn't be put on again in the Sunday? I guess it doesn't actually imply they will return to ffd after the flypast though, so maybe that's part of it.

i suspect they will do the flypast on friday, land, be given pride of place on the static line, fly up again on the saturday and then fly back to home bases. this way they can maximise the annoyance of the people attending sunday only

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God you sunday people, moan moan moan, you're seeing a lot more flying than those attending friday only!
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The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )

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That is absolutely mad isn't it. How times change.

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Canberra TT.18 wrote:The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )

well lets honest we only have 2 fighter types. one is displaying, flypasting and on static. the other there are only a small number of and they are busy (we are lucky to be getting a flypast from it)

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rdchawk wrote:God you sunday people, moan moan moan, you're seeing a lot more flying than those attending friday only!

I know we've been over and over this already but, Friday has always been a short display and has always been advertised as such. There has never been a time when Friday would get even close to the same amount of display flying as Saturday or Sunday (and until quite recently there was no Friday display at all). The only change to that this year is that for reasons unfathomable, they're charging the same ticket price as for the full days. It's crazy but, it's a different matter and one that people were well aware of as soon as tickets were announced/made available for Friday.

And despite what some claim, up until this year and perhaps the exception of last years RAF100 show, the differences between Saturday and Sunday have been slight and arguably fairly balanced over the years (excluding either weather or tech issues).

So moaning is pretty understandable and unfortunately as with any complaint typed on here though, it will change nothing.

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