RIAT 2019

Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Go4Long on Sat 15 Jun 2019, 9:51 pm

Ah yes...I definitely did that.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby MiG_Eater on Sat 15 Jun 2019, 10:15 pm

Airshowhammer wrote:I noticed at Duxford the BJT used flares, I don't want to be that guy, but surely Fairford is a much more safer place than Dux to store flares? Don't shoot down, i'm just interested in finding more about it :up:


I am not convinced they were actually flares. I think they might have been fireworks - they certainly popped! Therefore, i'm hoping we'll see them at Fairford. But lets see.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby 2e1var on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 4:47 am

P&V was sold out last year, I spent ages trying to find some tickets online, ultimately rocked up on the day and went straight in west paying on the gate.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby edhunter on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 8:03 am

Is it just me or are the RAF leaving it rather late to finalise there participants in the static park as at the moment there is only 4 aircraft and I can't believe that is all that they will confirm, I don't think they have left it this late before?
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Airshowhammer on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 9:27 am

edhunter wrote:Is it just me or are the RAF leaving it rather late to finalise there participants in the static park as at the moment there is only 4 aircraft and I can't believe that is all that they will confirm, I don't think they have left it this late before?


The way the RAF is going i'm surprised they even show up!
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby IATthenRIAT on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 1:54 pm

I was chatting to group captain townsend the other day about the show - started with a light hearted suggestion of mine - bring a couple of tornados on the back of flat beds for for the static - he said we should look forward not back, so I asked him about a couple of 35s in the static - still waiting for a reply.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Habu on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 2:53 pm

Sid-104 wrote:I'll throw this into the mix guys. The Sunday will be the 50th anniversary of man first setting foot on the moon. Maybe something with the Red Arrows flying Apollo formation and something from the states. Participants from NASA unlikely? So what do you think, is detective Sid on to something?

Sid.

A flypast with Orbital's L-1011 stargazer launch platform would be a nice commemoration , such a beautiful and rare aircraft .
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Gripenjetphotos on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 3:03 pm

At least one A-4 Skyhawk is painted in NATO 70 colours, shown at the TLG 51 Air Day. Could be interesting.. :heyhey:
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby G-CVIX on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 3:15 pm

Airshowhammer wrote:
edhunter wrote:Is it just me or are the RAF leaving it rather late to finalise there participants in the static park as at the moment there is only 4 aircraft and I can't believe that is all that they will confirm, I don't think they have left it this late before?


The way the RAF is going i'm surprised they even show up!


I wouldn't be surprised if what was confirmed now is all they send.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby G67 on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 6:42 pm

IATthenRIAT wrote: he said we should look forward not back


That's ironic for an organisation that rolls out the BBMF and Red Arrows at every opportunity.

'Looking back' accounts for the majority of their flying at RIAT...
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby FarnboroJohn on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 8:11 pm

IATthenRIAT wrote:I was chatting to group captain townsend the other day about the show - started with a light hearted suggestion of mine - bring a couple of tornados on the back of flat beds for for the static - he said we should look forward not back, so I asked him about a couple of 35s in the static - still waiting for a reply.


Army's the same - terminated the White Helmets motorcycle display team as "out of date and not relevant to the modern army" - this from an organisation that turns up to defend the Sovereign with armoured chaps on horses and uses WWI guns pulled by full-time horse artillery. Nobody said MOD had to make sense.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby IATthenRIAT on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 11:11 pm

I was thinking yesterday "why does it matter what turns up prior to the show"? it never bothered me in the 90s - I just went down to the travel agents - got my ticket, waited for the day and that was that.
I think media and so much reliance on the internet on our devices large or small, has made it part of our lives to scrutinize everything we see and do - nothing is left to chance anymore.

As many have said it was fabulous walking/driving onto the airfield being directed where to park, and seeing all those suprises - and getting the cirencester air group movements list and seeing what was there, ran that tingle down your spine as you started your two or three hour walk down the static - taking pics and ticking off or noting what you are seeing, before planting yourself ready for the flying.

Always happy days - thats coming from a number cruncher (spotter) first and photographer second.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby mavvymoo on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 5:42 am

Airshowhammer wrote:I thought Fairford was MAA? :dizzy:

Please feel free to correct me as I don't have as much as knowledge as some of you folk on here :up:

I concur as this was the principle reason offered for minimal (if any) changes at RIAT post Shoreham.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby aviodromefriend on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:16 am

IATthenRIAT wrote:I was thinking yesterday "why does it matter what turns up prior to the show"? it never bothered me in the 90s - I just went down to the travel agents - got my ticket, waited for the day and that was that.
I think media and so much reliance on the internet on our devices large or small, has made it part of our lives to scrutinize everything we see and do - nothing is left to chance anymore.

As many have said it was fabulous walking/driving onto the airfield being directed where to park, and seeing all those suprises - and getting the cirencester air group movements list and seeing what was there, ran that tingle down your spine as you started your two or three hour walk down the static - taking pics and ticking off or noting what you are seeing, before planting yourself ready for the flying.

Always happy days - thats coming from a number cruncher (spotter) first and photographer second.
Where is it written that it is forbidden to not check the participants before the show while going to it? If you want: just stay away from airtattoo.com after you bought your tickets, don't open the e-mails DBH sends out, stay away from RIAT topics on forums, unfollow all aviation accounts on your social media, and rock up on the day.

Reading through the last few years of RIAT threads, I might try to do it myself next year....
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby MiG_Eater on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:29 am

I tried to do this. It is harder than you might think...
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby aviodromefriend on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:41 am

Airshowhammer wrote:I noticed at Duxford the BJT used flares, I don't want to be that guy, but surely Fairford is a much more safer place than Dux to store flares? Don't shoot down, i'm just interested in finding more about it :up:
BJT has used flares for years already, and yes, they use lots of them in their final break. Just not at a certain airshow in Gloucestershire. When he was still around, RIAT Air Ops has posted here multiple times why it won´t happen (maybe nowadays a search function is needed to find it back between all the moaning) and a small answer is at their FAQ page https://www.airtattoo.com/airshow/visiting/about-the-air-tattoo/frequently-asked-questions then click at aircraft (that will make it easier to find that question). It is not about storing flares, it is a problem about handling flares. Fairford is so filled up during RIAT that flares can easily damage other aircraft if they pop out unintentionally (of course you can argue what is more important to not be damaged by those flares, aircraft right next to them, or people walking around them).
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby AngryAndyPandy on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:51 am

MiG_Eater wrote:I tried to do this. It is harder than you might think...


I'll second this. I lasted all of a month before being tempted back. Next year is the year! :grin:
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby HeyfordDave111 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:53 am

As mentioned in a previous post, i'm not attending this years show, however i will do 2020's one.

But, i will not follow the show here at all, and i will remove myself from the mailing list so that i can literally feel the excitement and wonderment / thrill i used to get when turning up only knowing a bit of what is scheduled to appear.

Maybe i'm trying to create the magic again, that i experienced coming in from Lechlade, and seeing those tails, and a full 'live side' pan, etc. for the first time.

News blackout for me, and strangely enough the thought does appeal considerably, even if the show turns out to be a 'not a good year' one, that's my risk but i'll still get a thrill not knowing.
I remember when the bear was confirmed in the magazines (i remember the blackjack being confirmed in later years too) turning up in P&V west right by it, then, because i didnt attend that weekend for the show proper, being stunned by seeing the Fiat G91's (i'd never seen one before) take off.

Thats what i'm going for next year. Got to be worth a little effort to try and get that old excitement back. For those of you that don't know the feeling because of the instant info etc nowadays, can i suggest you try it, just once. You might find it leads to an even better airshow experience and more fun than knowing beforehand.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Habu on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:15 pm

For those that are interested , the Plaieds satellite image capture is planned for 11.03 am on the Friday (weather permitting). Will be great if the NATO flypast coincides.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby IATthenRIAT on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:31 pm

HeyfordDave111 wrote:As mentioned in a previous post, i'm not attending this years show, however i will do 2020's one.

But, i will not follow the show here at all, and i will remove myself from the mailing list so that i can literally feel the excitement and wonderment / thrill i used to get when turning up only knowing a bit of what is scheduled to appear.

Maybe i'm trying to create the magic again, that i experienced coming in from Lechlade, and seeing those tails, and a full 'live side' pan, etc. for the first time.

News blackout for me, and strangely enough the thought does appeal considerably, even if the show turns out to be a 'not a good year' one, that's my risk but i'll still get a thrill not knowing.
I remember when the bear was confirmed in the magazines (i remember the blackjack being confirmed in later years too) turning up in P&V west right by it, then, because i didnt attend that weekend for the show proper, being stunned by seeing the Fiat G91's (i'd never seen one before) take off.

Thats what i'm going for next year. Got to be worth a little effort to try and get that old excitement back. For those of you that don't know the feeling because of the instant info etc nowadays, can i suggest you try it, just once. You might find it leads to an even better airshow experience and more fun than knowing beforehand.


Exactly my memories and same feelings in 89, 91,93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 03 was easily the best single day each year over all those years.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby edhunter on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 6:07 pm

How cool would it be to have another 5 o'clock update like there was in 2012?
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby play it cool on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:04 pm

2e1var wrote:P&V was sold out last year, I spent ages trying to find some tickets online, ultimately rocked up on the day and went straight in west paying on the gate.


I know in 2017 they were turning people away from P&V West on the Monday, including ticket holders. I was a bit worried last year as I missed out on tickets but was told that they had increased the capacity at West and there shouldn't be a problem getting in as long as you get there at a decent time. I'm not aware they were turning people away from P&V West last year. Bottom line though; ticket or no ticket - if you get there early enough you'll get in, leave it late you may not.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Tom105 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:17 pm

G-PIGY and G-BEOL short skyvans which in the past have been frequent visitors to RIAT and other shows have been de-registered from UK and moved to Guyana
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby jasonT1981 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:49 pm

Tom105 wrote:G-PIGY and G-BEOL short skyvans which in the past have been frequent visitors to RIAT and other shows have been de-registered from UK and moved to Guyana


G-Pigy? Isn't that the Bronco Demo Teams Skyvan? :(
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Tom105 on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:59 pm

Yep they were both owned by the same person as the bronco and always came together.
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