RIAT 2019

Re: RIAT 2019

Postby rdchawk on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 1:32 pm

The Coastguards Cessna still hasn't made it on to the participants list.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby capercaillie on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 1:35 pm

rdchawk wrote:The Coastguards Cessna still hasn't made it on to the participants list.


Amateurs :roll:
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Canberra TT.18 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 1:42 pm

rockfordstone wrote:
Canberra TT.18 wrote:The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )

well lets honest we only have 2 fighter types. one is displaying, flypasting and on static. the other there are only a small number of and they are busy (we are lucky to be getting a flypast from it)


I know.
Sign of the times.

But still.
I know a lot of air forces in Europe that operate only a single fighter type (in smaller numbers) and show more than one on a non-fighter-base-air-show-base.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby harkins on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 1:47 pm

Indeed, a single and twin seat example surely wouldn't have been that big a demand on resources would it? The twins are the ones that seem to have hung onto their squadron markings as well.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby boff180 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 2:44 pm

harkins wrote:Indeed, a single and twin seat example surely wouldn't have been that big a demand on resources would it? The twins are the ones that seem to have hung onto their squadron markings as well.


Most twins are being RTP'd.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby boff180 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 2:46 pm

Canberra TT.18 wrote:The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )


Indeed, this (IMO) is a very poor commitment from the RAF. Operational requirements or not, there are 2 (I think) Typhoon units deployed out of 8 (soon to be 9).
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Wrexham Mackem on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 2:55 pm

boff180 wrote:
Canberra TT.18 wrote:The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )


Indeed, this (IMO) is a very poor commitment from the RAF. Operational requirements or not, there are 2 (I think) Typhoon units deployed out of 8 (soon to be 9).


Agreed. Such apparent apathy towards an event that exists to raise money for RAF charities. Very poor.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby rdchawk on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:00 pm

Especially as there is now no RAF "at home" airshow anymore, there should be as many RAF units and types as possible at RIAT.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Tmyers123 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:00 pm

rdchawk wrote:Especially as there is now no RAF "at home" airshow anymore, there should be as many RAF units and types as possible at RIAT.


Cosford?
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby capercaillie on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:06 pm

Tmyers123 wrote:
rdchawk wrote:Especially as there is now no RAF "at home" airshow anymore, there should be as many RAF units and types as possible at RIAT.


Cosford?


True, but how many types can operate from there?
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby rdchawk on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:06 pm

Tmyers123 wrote:
rdchawk wrote:Especially as there is now no RAF "at home" airshow anymore, there should be as many RAF units and types as possible at RIAT.


Cosford?


Not run or organized by the RAF is it?
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Flare Path on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:10 pm

rdchawk wrote:The Coastguards Cessna still hasn't made it on to the participants list.


It's in the civilian section - absent from the the Maritime and Coastguard country. :whistle:
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Airshowhammer on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:27 pm

I think the twin stick Typhoons look better personally.

With regards to the RAF. Them? Embarrassing themselves? Well imagine my shock :roll:

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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby boff180 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:28 pm

It’s operated by a company under contract to the MCA.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby capercaillie on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:29 pm

Airshowhammer wrote:I think the twin stick Typhoons look better personally.


Burn the witch :heyhey: Ugly humpbacked twinsticks :sick: :dizzy: :cuppa:
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby harkins on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:30 pm

boff180 wrote:
harkins wrote:Indeed, a single and twin seat example surely wouldn't have been that big a demand on resources would it? The twins are the ones that seem to have hung onto their squadron markings as well.


Most twins are being RTP'd.

You'd think that's all the more reason to spare one of the few remaining ones for the weekend. They appear only of use for flying BBC staff around for jollies.

boff180 wrote:
Canberra TT.18 wrote:The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )


Indeed, this (IMO) is a very poor commitment from the RAF. Operational requirements or not, there are 2 (I think) Typhoon units deployed out of 8 (soon to be 9).

I'll probably be incorrect again but isn't it the case that whilst we're getting more squadrons, in truth it's just a case of spreading what we have more thinly rather than getting extra Typhoons? With the twin seaters getting weighed in for scrap as you pointed out, we'd need a few new ones to just break even.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby boff180 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:36 pm

The entire Tranche 1 fleet was to be retired however they are now being retained for homeland air defence duties.

Technically the two new squadrons has saved us from a further reduction in fast jet numbers.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby adam2628 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:36 pm

capercaillie wrote:
Airshowhammer wrote:I think the twin stick Typhoons look better personally.


Burn the witch :heyhey: Ugly humpbacked twinsticks :sick: :dizzy: :cuppa:

+1, no comparison
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby harkins on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:39 pm

boff180 wrote:The entire Tranche 1 fleet was to be retired however they are now being retained for homeland air defence duties.

Technically the two new squadrons has saved us from a further reduction in fast jet numbers.

I see. Small mercies hey?
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Wissam24 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 3:49 pm

adam2628 wrote:
capercaillie wrote:
Airshowhammer wrote:I think the twin stick Typhoons look better personally.


Burn the witch :heyhey: Ugly humpbacked twinsticks :sick: :dizzy: :cuppa:

+1, no comparison


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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Berf on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 5:28 pm

I guess everyone is preparing for the Ukrainian tat scrum ...

and the overpriced poor quality stuff

and the great must haves ... but they all went on Friday...
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Red Dragon on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 6:08 pm

Wrexham Mackem wrote:
boff180 wrote:
Canberra TT.18 wrote:The static has just one (1) RAF fighter.
A single 9 Sqn Typhoon. :shock:
That must be an all time low. (Only one step from the lowest possible :-X )


Indeed, this (IMO) is a very poor commitment from the RAF. Operational requirements or not, there are 2 (I think) Typhoon units deployed out of 8 (soon to be 9).


Agreed. Such apparent apathy towards an event that exists to raise money for RAF charities. Very poor.


Out of a fleet of 150 Typhoons (of various types and tranches) and the RAF can only muster 1 static Typhoon example for the charity that runs a show to raise funds for its own charity?

The Belgians/ Dutch/ Australians at their shows perform 4 ship flypasts, "tactical demo's" etc, static displays from all squadrons (all from Air Forces that are smaller than the RAF)

Having spoken to RAF personnel they all want to show off their latest toys, too me it does genuinely seem the RAF (decision makers) can't be arsed. I do sometimes wonder is it....
A- No funds in the kitty
B- Health & Safety says no/ Too much hassle/ Too much paperwork
C- No interest from the senior RAF personnel themselves
D- All of the above
E- Something totally different

I've done this small list to compare between "I'd better make an effort" to "Time to celebrate"

RAF at RIAT 2019
Eurofighter Typhoon - 158 = 9 x Operational Typhoons Squadrons = 1 x in Static/ 1 in Flying/ Spare.
F-35B - 9 = 1 x Operational F-35 Squadron = 1 Flying (limited aerobatics)
British Aerospace Hawk T2 - 28 = 1 x Operational Hawk T2 Squadron = 1 x Static.

RAAF at Avalon 2019
F/A-18A/B Hornet - 69 = 2 x Operational Legacy Hornet Squadrons = 2 Static/ 4 in Flying/ 2 Spares.
F/A-18F Super Hornet - 24 = 1 x Operational Super Hornet Squadrons = 1 Static/ 4 in Flying/ 2 Spares
F-35A - 14 = 1 x Operational F-35A Squadron = 2 x Flying (Full aerobics)
Hawk 127 - 33 = 2 x Operational Hawk 127 Squadrons = 2 x Static/ 1 in Flying/ 1 Spare.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Spotty_Jag on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 6:54 pm

Not making excuses for the RAF's lacklustre support to RIAT, but it's worth pointing out that there should be 6x RAF operated Typhoons at Fairford.
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby aceyone on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 7:28 pm

Funny how the RAF always seem to pull out the stops for Her Majesty year after year ,still the top brass have to earn their OBEs/MBEs etc somehow !
Don't know about those jets ,they spoil a very nice place
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Re: RIAT 2019

Postby Luke28 on Thu 11 Jul 2019, 7:39 pm

aceyone wrote:Funny how the RAF always seem to pull out the stops for Her Majesty year after year ,still the top brass have to earn their OBEs/MBEs etc somehow !


Take it you missed this years then?
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