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So who went OTT with the Fireworks?

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The US Defence Department has said it is trying to determine if a missile was launched off the coast of California.

A CBS News helicopter captured what looked like the vapour trail of a missile rising over the Pacific Ocean.

The Pentagon has said it does not consider the sighting to be the result of hostile action


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11721981
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11723438

That is definately some kind of rocket propelled system being launched, either missile or orbital platform!

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boff180 wrote:
That is definately some kind of rocket propelled system being launched, either missile or orbital platform!

Andy


Apparently not, Its a plane boss! (I must admit I thought that when I saw it)

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Oh, you noticed? Whoops! :whistle:
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Hi mate,

Do you think the thing we saw over the pacific at dusk was something entering the earths atmosphere? It wasn't an asteroid or a lens flare from a satellite but it did have what seemed to be a long tail behind it like an afterburner but a lot longer compared to whatever was producing it? Same area as this and was only a couple of weeks earlier.
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Possibly some aliens living under the Pacific for a short while surveying marine life, before heading home yesterday :ninja:
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It is all about perspective. These types of aircraft contrails are nothing new. Aircraft contrails can exhibit the characteristics of a ballistic missile launch. If the atmospheric conditions are correct then the contrail can deceive. The first set of images on the following web page are from California during December 2009.

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

Some excellent Flightaware analysis on the following. See webcam footage of another contrail plume 24 hours after the helicopter crew footage.

http://www.bahneman.com/liem/tmp/it_was_awe808.png

'Posted by: Liembo | 11/9/10 | 10:22 pm |
My research shows it as AWE808, or UPS902, their altitude (for contrail formation) and position are both pretty close, though I believe 808 is the stronger candidate. I base this one the way AWE808 appeared on the horizon TODAY (Tuesday, Nov. 9) on its same flight path at approximately the same time. I made a screen cap of a Newport Beach webcam with AWE808 making a very familiar contrail to the west.'

From

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11 ... bly-a-jet/

More people are paying attention to these types of contrails. 24 hours after the helicopter crew footage people in California are still reporting 'missile launches'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNCCkd7Qsg&fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi2L4QC_fk&fmt=18

Snippet from the posted footage.

'This footage was taken in Orange County California on November 9th, 2010 between 5pm and 5:30pm. One day after the original controversial missile footage was taken. Is it a second mystery?

It was taken from the 4th floor offices of Binary Pulse Technology Marketing through heavily tinted windows. It was taken with a commercial-grade HD camera by a professional cameraman employed by Binary Pulse.

The trail clearly began over the ocean and shot straight up from a billowing cloud of smoke. It then took a sharp change of course, heading south and west...eventually disappearing.'

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Some more examples of how an aircraft contrail can be misidentified as a ballistic missile launch. It is purely about perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVmjpDZLN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaCTP-i7tX8

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The Pleideans saved the world! :wall:

'Aliens shot down California missile'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg

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T_J wrote:The Pleideans saved the world! :wall:

'Aliens shot down California missile'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg

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Wow! I'm really worried about the future of the planet after hearing what Colleen had to say!!!!!!!! :lmao:

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Nice tits though...
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You really couldn't make it up, Nigel? :lol:

Some excellent work from the guys over at Above Top Secret.

The following images prove that it was no missile. The helo cameraman admitted that he filmed the trail for 10 minutes. No ballistic missile would be in view for that length of time. As the airliner approaches the coast the contrail dissipates and it carries on its easterly heading. If the news station had only aired the full footage then all those 'experts' wouldn't have egg on their face. I think that Doug Richardson, editor of Jane's Missiles and Rockets, will be re-evaluating his initial verdict?

Here are some independent images.

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http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?sec ... 59&photo=1

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?sec ... 59&photo=2

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?sec ... 59&photo=3

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?sec ... 59&photo=4

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?sec ... 59&photo=5

Images from a weather sat. The airliner contrail is shown and is blown south.

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I've only just looked at the photo in 3 stages,the object above the cloud is a helicopter right?
certainly isnt the aircraft that left the contrail anyway...

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st24 wrote:Nice tits though...


Honestly, locked in a room with that woman I would be scared! You might pay for that sort of thing st, well so I heard from some bloke at an airshow, but back to the nutter with the cleavage, right off her trolley, completely bonkers, a wind up, must be! from the people who brought you Rutland TV.
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The difference of course between the contrail and this is that in the video you can clearly see something glowing at the tip of the trail. I imagine it's the plane reflecting the sun?

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Abingdonman wrote:I've only just looked at the photo in 3 stages,the object above the cloud is a helicopter right?
certainly isnt the aircraft that left the contrail anyway...


The object (airliner) above the clouds (the one with the box) is what produced the persistent contrail. There is a helicopter visible in the earlier video footage. The helicopter appears to be a tandem rotor as there appears to be rotor movement fore and aft.

The news helicopter cameraman has filmed the airliner as it produced the dramatic persistent contrail. As the airliner approaches the coast the contrail dissipates. Many factors can effect and influence the formation of contrails. Warmer air perhaps approaching landfall, etc.

If you watch the following video from the 0:45 mark you can see what is captured in the still images I posted earlier. The airliner continues on towards the coast. From the data on Flightaware the airliner (2 likely candidates) were up at around 37,000 feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2UGugR_-gU

At the 0:25 point there appears to be a tandem rotor helicopter captured in the frame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAZLYn44FeQ

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T_J...I can see the 'dot' in front of the contrail in frame 5 OK(whats in the 'box' ) but what I cant get my head around is this..
The aircraft that made the contrail is clearly to the right of that tall building to the fore (frame 1) no doubt the contrail i& clouds would have shifted to the left of said building....but not the aircraft!
it surely cannot be in that 'box' left of the building 4 frames later?

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Ok it was an aircraft!

Although as FRM has pointed out, on our recent travels to that area of US, we did see something very very strange one night as we were driving.

To this day I cannot explain what we saw...

I know it was a movie, but the closest interpretation of what was witnessed comes from the movie "Deep Impact"; the object we saw was at very very high altitude.
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Possible explanations include:-
- Re-entering satellite.
- Large meteorite re-entering.
- Re-entering ISS resupply capsule.
- Launching military rocket (with classified payload) exiting the atmosphere.
- The sun refelecting off an orbiting objects solar panels at the correct angle to be visible?

Still can't get my head around it! It couldn't have been an aircraft as this contrail video is, there was a definate glow coming from the rear end with a tail, it wasn't any cloud like formation such as a contrail.

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Abingdonman wrote:T_J...I can see the 'dot' in front of the contrail in frame 5 OK(whats in the 'box' ) but what I cant get my head around is this..
The aircraft that made the contrail is clearly to the right of that tall building to the fore (frame 1) no doubt the contrail i& clouds would have shifted to the left of said building....but not the aircraft!
it surely cannot be in that 'box' left of the building 4 frames later?


I admit it isn't a perfect match up.

The following video at 0:45 shows it from the helicopter news team's perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2UGugR_-gU

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What date was it, Andy?

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Airport webcam (LAX) of the 8th November incident.

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Abingdonman wrote:T_J...I can see the 'dot' in front of the contrail in frame 5 OK(whats in the 'box' ) but what I cant get my head around is this..
The aircraft that made the contrail is clearly to the right of that tall building to the fore (frame 1) no doubt the contrail i& clouds would have shifted to the left of said building....but not the aircraft!
it surely cannot be in that 'box' left of the building 4 frames later?


The contrail science website has been updated with additional photo analysis. It matches exactly with United Parcel Service McDonnell Douglas MD-11 that was inbound to Ontario International Airport, California from Honolulu, Hawaii.

http://contrailscience.com/

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T_J wrote:
Abingdonman wrote:T_J...I can see the 'dot' in front of the contrail in frame 5 OK(whats in the 'box' ) but what I cant get my head around is this..
The aircraft that made the contrail is clearly to the right of that tall building to the fore (frame 1) no doubt the contrail i& clouds would have shifted to the left of said building....but not the aircraft!
it surely cannot be in that 'box' left of the building 4 frames later?


The contrail science website has been updated with additional photo analysis. It matches exactly with United Parcel Service McDonnell Douglas MD-11 that was inbound to Ontario International Airport, California from Honolulu, Hawaii.

http://contrailscience.com/

TJ


T_J

Frame No 9 illustrates what I meant in my post above....I suggested the aircraft would not shift to the left along with the contrail....I mistakenly assumed the aircraft would be directly in front of the short contrail(I've seen a few like that when I go to a nearby hill,I've watched an aircraft contrail for around over 10 minutes in the sunset before now,with the help of binoculars!)
the answer must be,obviously :wink: ...the short contrail has blown over with the main contrail...frame No 15 shows the long & short contrails moving in unison,the aircraft itself has long gone by frame 5 (of the original 5 frame sequence a few posts back)...or at least I've never seen an airliner fly sideways!
but no doubt some will dispute my version about the aircraft! :grin:

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CH2 wrote:
st24 wrote:Nice tits though...


Honestly, locked in a room with that woman I would be scared! You might pay for that sort of thing st, well so I heard from some bloke at an airshow, but back to the nutter with the cleavage, right off her trolley, completely bonkers, a wind up, must be! from the people who brought you Rutland TV.


:grin: :lmao:

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It's Aurora! :lmao:
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