Which variant of the F-35 should Britain buy...?

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Which variant of the F-35 should Britain buy?

Forget the carriers - F-35A
1
1%
Forget the carriers - F-35A
1
1%
Back to VTOL - F-35B
7
4%
Back to VTOL - F-35B
7
4%
Carrier Variant - F-35C
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31%
Carrier Variant - F-35C
57
31%
Cancel it all.
28
15%
Cancel it all.
28
15%
 
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Following multiple discussions on multiple formats, simple question to UKARians.

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Unfortunately the option I wanted isn't up there.

I went for the C because we need a carrier force, however I would have gone for a mixed force of As for the RAF because VSTOL is dead and Cs for the FAA for the carriers.

Thus having the most relevant and capable force.

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Super Hornets please.

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Ben H wrote:Super Hornets please.


Super Hornets, assembled in the UK if possible, for the Navy and more full multi-role capable Typhoons for the air force.
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What do those who voted for cancellation propose?
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Dragon Rapide wrote:What do those who voted for cancellation propose?


World peace? :question:

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Hornets for me :up:

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Rafale M!

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Dragon Rapide wrote:What do those who voted for cancellation propose?


One up from your post with Superbugs and Tiffies.
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Super Hornet plus buddy pods and some with Growler wiring.
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And the cost, taking account of non-existent offsets.......?
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Dragon Rapide wrote:And the cost, taking account of non-existent offsets.......?



A decent aircraft, in service when the carriers come on line.
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That didn't answer the question.............
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I presume you were referring to the F18.
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I know what I'd like! :whistle:
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F-35C all the way. Sadly the wrong decision, discounting the effect of SDSR and the apparent U-U-turn, was made several years before when we entered the JSF programme with the F-35B.

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elderforest wrote:Super Hornet plus buddy pods and some with Growler wiring.


+1

Works best for RN. I'm sure some kind of offset deal can make sure enough bits of them are made in the UK. And why have EMALS? A steam cat should be enough.

And more multi-role Typhoons for the RAF.

(And in an ideal world, a decent maritime patrol aircraft - we're dependent on the sea for our imports/exports remember?)

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EMALS would make our ships future proof for the possible introduction of UCAVs which are too light to use steam catapults.
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There's an article on the register that explains why EMALS is a better option over a steam cat.

The only reason that Britain had originally planned in the 1990s to buy the B version of the F-35 was that there was no way back then to fit the carriers with catapults. All naval catapults then in service required supplies of high-power steam to operate: in today's French and US carriers this steam is produced by the ships' nuclear propulsion, but Britain decided it could not afford a nuclear carrier. Thus the British ships are to have gas-turbine engines, which cannot produce steam. Therefore they could not have catapults. (In theory one might add special auxiliary steam boilers just for the cats, but such a design would be nearly as expensive as a nuclear ship and hugely less capable. The UK never seriously considered that plan, though France did for a while.)

But things have changed since the 1990s. America has moved forward and developed new electromagnetic catapults which need only electrical power to operate. A landbased test system has been in operation in the States for some time without problems, and the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) is to be installed in the next US supercarrier: CVN-78, aka USS Gerald R Ford. The Ford is now at an advanced state of build and there is no option to revert her to steam. There is no doubt that EMALS is ready for service - despite certain British politicians' recent witless claims to the contrary. It has already shown that it can launch F-35Cs (and Hawkeyes):


The rest of the article is an interesting read, so I hope its accurate :grin:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/17 ... e_and_raf/
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elderforest wrote:Super Hornet plus buddy pods


Sadly an impossible option...

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None of them. Bring back the Harriers!!?? :whistle:
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DanH wrote:There's an article on the register that explains why EMALS is a better option over a steam cat.

The rest of the article is an interesting read, so I hope its accurate :grin:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/17 ... e_and_raf/


Thanks Dan, very interesting. In the context of this thread then: F-35C with EMALS. Seems EMALS is more proven than I had thought. Interoperability with US & French navies is a definite bonus, as is the having carrier-borne AEW/AWACs aircraft (if the beancounters let us have any).

Going off-topic, what is so special about VSTOL? What it will give us with the F-35B is a less capable aircraft carrying a smaller payload over shorter distances than the F-35C. Why did we choose the B version in the first place? BAe pressure again?

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81tfw wrote:....what is so special about VSTOL?...


I almost couldn't believe that any aviation enthusiast would ever ask that question. As partial answer, let me put another question; Why do so many bemoan the passing of the RAF/RN Harriers, is it simply because they were British, or is it because they provided a near-unique capability. I suggest you ask those who served in the Falklands war or in Belize how they feel the outcome might have been different had we not had Harriers.....or ask the US Marine Corps why they bother to continue operating their Harriers.

Or perhaps we should scrap all our helicopters as well, after all the only things they can do that any other aircraft can not are to fly very slowly, to hover and to land and take off vertically......
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Flying Warden wrote:I presume you were referring to the F18.


I am asking how much the cancellation of our commitments to the F-35 programme and new costs of the alternative proposals, without any manufacturing off-sets, would be. Presumably those voting for cancellation will have taken these into account.
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The C version is too heavy for French carriers and if we go down the catapult route we'll only get one carrier, which will only be at sea some 65% of the time. If we want a credible carrier strike capability, i.e. one that is always available, then it's going to be the B model as we can't afford two boats with Cs aboard.

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