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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-li ... e-20794398 they say it will only take 14 months to get her back in the air
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That is fantastic news! Hope the team can get her flying again,it would be a really fitting and great tribute to their Brother. Now,a pair of Lancs flying for a special occasion or at an airshow..... :drool: :yahoo: :rock: :win:
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8 Merlins trundling over would sound amazing!
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I undertstood that the length of runway at East Kirkby was insufficent for the aircraft to operate from.

I have just checked and this is what is says on there website:

"Landing Strip Length- Grass-590m, Concrete-360m
Combined length of 950m (3000ft)"

Is that long enough?


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I think they will have to sort out runway after they make her airworthy
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Maisie wrote:8 Merlins trundling over would sound amazing!


You mean like this? Happens at many Duxford shows....

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Old Warden's runway is just over 600m and the Lancaster has landed there? So it should be alright unless the surface is ruined.
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phreakf4 wrote:
Maisie wrote:8 Merlins trundling over would sound amazing!


You mean like this? Happens at many Duxford shows....



Pardon the red mark on that copy of the file, it was added to illustrate a point in a post some time ago and it was easier to find this copy than the unmarked one.


I don't get to Duxford much, but I should do really!
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Maisie wrote:Old Warden's runway is just over 600m and the Lancaster has landed there? So it should be alright unless the surface is ruined.


Are you sure? The runway at Old Warden is hardly long enough for their Comet, so I think a Lancaster may be a bit too ambitious...

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Could be wrong, but I'm only going by this photo as I've never seen the Lanc do a fly-by with it's wheels down?

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Maisie wrote:Could be wrong, but I'm only going by this photo as I've never seen the Lanc do a fly-by with it's wheels down?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air ... c3745168b5



Sorry this was taken at Old Warden 5th August 2012 - nice pass but didn't land
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No Lancaster has ever, nor could ever land at Old Warden, it's simply too short, even with the increase to accommodate the Comet Racer.

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Apologies then! :)
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Great news, although reading through the article again it would suggest that it would take 14 months to make her airworthy after they have collected all the required components and spares. I know they have stated in the past that they were collecting everything ready to make her airworthy, the question is how close are they to beginning that process.

I've never visited East Kirby myself, but once she is back in the air, would there be the required facilities there to successfully operate from, runway not withstanding? Also, would they be able to carry out all the required work to make her airworthy at her current home? Would she need to be moved somewhere like Duxford for the work to be carried out?

In any case, I look forward to seeing "Jane" back where she belongs. :smile:
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phreakf4 wrote:
Maisie wrote:8 Merlins trundling over would sound amazing!


You mean like this? Happens at many Duxford shows....

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Pardon the red mark on that copy of the file, it was added to illustrate a point in a post some time ago and it was easier to find this copy than the unmarked one.


errr, thats 9, a completely different sound altogether :whistle:

Waits to be told one of them has a Griffon!!!! :lol:

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I would question the viability of another Lancaster flying.

Sally B is not getting airshow bookings, due to hard pressed airshow organisers going for another large jet bomber, and not being in a position to justify the additional 3-4k appearance fees for the B-17. (Not my words btw, but what was said about a year ago).

I can't imagine a private Lancaster will be any cheaper to operate than Sally B.

So if I was an organiser of a show, would I book the BBMF for 2k (??) and get Spitfire/Hurricane/Lancaster or spend double that and get just a Lancaster.

It would be nice to see, however having two identical aircraft, with one costing considerably more to book, I can't see many organisers going for the more expensive option.

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FGR2 wrote:I would question the viability of another Lancaster flying.

Sally B is not getting airshow bookings, due to hard pressed airshow organisers going for another large jet bomber, and not being in a position to justify the additional 3-4k appearance fees for the B-17. (Not my words btw, but what was said about a year ago).

I can't imagine a private Lancaster will be any cheaper to operate than Sally B.

So if I was an organiser of a show, would I book the BBMF for 2k (??) and get Spitfire/Hurricane/Lancaster or spend double that and get just a Lancaster.

It would be nice to see, however having two identical aircraft, with one costing considerably more to book, I can't see many organisers going for the more expensive option.


Possibly true, but I would think the larger shows, at least for the first year or two, would promote the novelty value of 2 Lancasters (probably advertising it as "a sight not seen in the UK for over 60 years"). After that there will in all probability be no Vulcan on the circuit and it will be interesting to see what effect, if any, that will have on the air show scene generally. This all assumes that the BBMF, not noted for their collaborative displays with other warbirds, would be up for it.

I would very much like to see two Lancasters flying together, but I am not holding my breath....
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RRconway wrote:Waits to be told one of them has a Griffon!!!! :lol:

Two of them, actually. Both since wrecked in accidents. :sad:

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FGR2 wrote:.......due to hard pressed airshow organisers going for another large jet bomber.......

Thankfully, that will all be over in another 10 months or so.

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Final flight of the Vulcan to coincide with Just Jane's first public sortie - I can just picture XH558 with a Lanc on either wing tip; and if the Shackleton people at Coventry really get on with their dream ............. Oh well it's a nice thought.
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Just a quick thought. How many pilots are current on the Lanc? I would assume the BoB flight has two and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure one of the Canadian Warplane Heritage pilots told me they had four people current on their Lancaster. Would I be right in thinking any new pilots/co-pilots would have to at some stage train on either of the two current airworthy Lancs?

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As far as I'm aware, the BBMF are very supportive of Just Jane. They often help eachother out with jigs, spares etc. I'm sure they would help with the pilot training.

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pb643 wrote:I undertstood that the length of runway at East Kirkby was insufficent for the aircraft to operate from.

I have just checked and this is what is says on there website:

"Landing Strip Length- Grass-590m, Concrete-360m
Combined length of 950m (3000ft)"

Is that long enough?


I wouldn't be surprised if any initial flight was from the remaining hard runway surface, as the fast taxy runs were done a few years ago for the filming of "Night Flight".

Just a quick thought. How many pilots are current on the Lanc? I would assume the BoB flight has two and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure one of the Canadian Warplane Heritage pilots told me they had four people current on their Lancaster. Would I be right in thinking any new pilots/co-pilots would have to at some stage train on either of the two current airworthy Lancs?


BBMF have at least 5 or 6 - three or four qualified as captain. At least four of Just Jane's crew are ex-BBMF (Ed Straw, Mike Leckey, Mike Chatterton & Rick Groombridge), a couple of them being so until very recently.

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It'll be superb to have another airworthy Lancaster on this side of the Atlantic. I imagine it would be very popular on the airshow scene and I certainly wish them well with the project!

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Looking forward to seeing it fly.

There really is no point questioning the viability of one aircraft type over another. No vintage aircraft flying for airshow purposes is financially viable from airshow bookings!! A spitfire will not even pay for itself from bookings, which is why classic aircraft (be it jet or piston) are generally owned by organisations or rich individuals. I'm sure the Panton brothers are fully aware of the costs involved and as it will be a flying tribute to their brother, this will be the main drive for them to get it flying. Best of luck to them.

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