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Burma spitfires

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Do not know if posted already but agreement has been reached to recover up to 60 spitfires buried in crates supposedly in good condition.Pm was involved in talks so does that mean they will come back to uk.

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Only item I have seen posted recently is http://news.uk.msn.com/world/lost-spitfires-to-be-recovered. Looks like they will start to dig them up this month
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The stories have jumped about. Think, I first read they were MkII's which thought abit odd at that time of the war. Then its was 20, then 60 and now back down to 20 again.

I'm just waiting for the grumblers to complain they're mk14's and not Mk9's as beyond the mk9 they were'nt proper spitfires :question:

Be a fabulous story if turns out to be true though.

Cue the movie. Hopefully not by the same production company for Strke back - Vengence. They'll be bonking the busty blonde customs officer before they step on the ferry at Dover. Bonking the captains mate, called 'Briggita, Fiery Red head from the Ukraine over the 2 for 1 offer in the bar! A cache of Glock 42's are found, stowed under the Louis Vuitton luggage of Franscesca de le totty. HAalf Italian, half swiss nun who has given up her life of decadence to make her way to a childrens orphanage in Burma! Whereafter, crossing the equator she decides a nuns life is not for her and is coereced into a life of smuggling arms. Meanwhile, our Hero, Brad Pitt lookalike David 'randy' Cundal cutting a dash in his Daks Simpson Khaki safari jacket and John Lobb sand boots.... is caught up in a drinking game of 'spoof 'with a eye-patched beauty! 6 foot tall and all Amazonian. . Petra Suzzette del Conti. Half italian, half Russian. .the other half, did say she was tall. . ! Amazonian! Our Hero; David 'randy' Cundal; is lead blind drunk into tellng the all enticing Suzzeette del Conti, the exact whereabout of 60 Mk14 spitfires! hidden in a burmese cave! each valued at £6,000,000!. . . .

Must admit though Fying Legends 2016 sounds somewhat more exciting!

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Wow... That's a film I must remember to avoid...
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If the claims are even remotely accurate then it's brilliant news for the warbird scene, although I should think that not all will end up in the UK as I doubt that there are enough people in this country with the resources to operate a Spit. Hopefully the BBMF will take a couple. I find myself wondering what this will mean for the value of Spitfires if they suddenly become significantly less rare.
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If they are late mark Griffon Spitfires was there really still the danger of the Japanese invading Burma at that time? I thought they were on the run by then.
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AlexC murmured:
If they are late mark Griffon Spitfires was there really still the danger of the Japanese invading Burma at that time? I thought they were on the run by then.

Exactly my thoughts... And I seem to recall reading when this story first blew up that they were shipped to Burma at a very late stage in the war - possibly just days before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki raids. Once Japan surrendered, there was no need for them and it was apparently pointless shipping them all the way back to the UK, so they were buried. But, I might have got that wrong, of course...
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My understanding was that the British Government didn't wish to leave them in flyaway condition for anybody to pick up and operate. We must be thankful that they buried them, anyone who has seen the wholesale ransacking that took place at Seletar and other points in the Empire will be aware of how many airframes were simply looted of anything useful and burnt to a crisp.

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Chap over on Keymags has seen the scans from the British University and the Burmese Geophysical survey reports.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost ... stcount=36

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Yep there is many variations of the story, but it is amazing if it all turns out to be spits, even later griffon engined versions.

Although it seems that there are some shenanigans going on as the guy who found them David Cundall has just signed an agreement with the Burmese government to go ahead with the dig.
There was some talk in other articles that he was being muscled out of his find buy some business man.it could be the guy who is now mentioned as his business partner.

Either way the big question is who owns them when they are dug up and then where do they end up???

But vodka is bang on duxfords tail chase just got really long and better.
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On the Chris Evans show on Radio 2 just now they were talking to David Cundalls son about the discovery and apparently he said there were now 14 Mk14's thought to be buried there.
A film crew is with them making a documentary too. He's due back in the UK in the next couple of weeks.
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A good little interview by a very excited Chris Evans.

David 'Randy' Cundall' :biggrin: As he has now be named "Spitfire Hunter."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n9zfc

the show will be available soon today so if you want to hear it. The segment was braodcast at 8.15am. He played 633 sqn theme music whilst the interview progressed and then played a couple of cheeky tracks immediately afterwards

"can you dig it" followed by "digging your scene". . he's a lad is that Evanss boy!

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Quite a good article about the Spitfires in The Times this morning. Good photo on the front page although they look like SEAC Mk VIII's to me.
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Vodka wrote:he's a lad is that Evans boy!


Can't stand him, too excitable for me!
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I listen to Chris Evans most mornings,I've got used to him over the years (used to enjoy watching his Friday TV shows etc)hes maybe childish at times but its fun,and seems to have a good heart...whats wrong with that :wink:
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Abingdonman wrote:I listen to Chris Evans most mornings,I've got used to him over the years (used to enjoy watching his Friday TV shows etc)hes maybe childish at times but its fun,and seems to have a good heart...whats wrong with that :wink:
he loves his cars and planes,he bought the Dunlop bridge,and he was suggesting at the time it might be put at Bruntingthorpe...he could be a man we want on our side! :grin:


Heard him talking about he Vulcan from time to time too....Can't be a bad thing.
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Daily Telegraph this morning reports a Burmese source saying there could be over 100; supply and demand and all that - maybe there'll be such a glut they'll be 2 for 1 in the local supermarket.
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100? that does sound a bit far fetched. How many container ships back then would it of taken to have that amount.Then spreading the shipments to avoid substantial lose to japanese subs? :ninja:

Sounds as far fetched as the movie ill be working on :lol:

The report at present is 14 from a chap who has spent 14 years researching and looking for these aircraft, that sounds more realistic ?

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Reading through this thread it sounds as though a few are almost dissapointed that they might be Griffon powered. I just don't get this. I mean I like to hear a Merlin as much as the next man but I can't say I am unhappy to hear a throaty Griffon either. Let's take this 10 years down the line and after a lot of blood sweat and tears, not to mention a big bucket load of cash, we all head off to Duxford grumbling about the line up of 30 plus Spitfires all Griffon powered. What a downer that would be :roll: :grin:

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ILoveLightnings wrote:. Let's take this 10 years down the line and after a lot of blood sweat and tears, not to mention a big bucket load of cash, we all head off to Duxford grumbling about the line up of 30 plus Spitfires all Griffon powered. What a downer that would be :roll: :grin:


Or 10 years down the line and there are possibly 2 recently rebuilt Griffon engined Spitfires in the line up and a hangar full of ( then ) 80 year old crates full of 80 year old Spitfire bits waiting for some more wealthy people to start restoring.
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ericbee123 wrote:
ILoveLightnings wrote:. Let's take this 10 years down the line and after a lot of blood sweat and tears, not to mention a big bucket load of cash, we all head off to Duxford grumbling about the line up of 30 plus Spitfires all Griffon powered. What a downer that would be :roll: :grin:


Or 10 years down the line and there are possibly 2 recently rebuilt Griffon engined Spitfires in the line up and a hangar full of ( then ) 80 year old crates full of 80 year old Spitfire bits waiting for some more wealthy people to start restoring.


Given that we don't even know what condition they are in, I would say that we are both on the optimistic side :grin: Fingers crossed. It would be amazing to see a pristine Spit Fuse wheeled out of it's crate looking like a new pin with a a pair of shiny wings on a rack :cool:

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iainpeden wrote:Daily Telegraph this morning reports a Burmese source saying there could be over 100; supply and demand and all that - maybe there'll be such a glut they'll be 2 for 1 in the local supermarket.

more like BOGOF :grin:

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Just one thought - what evidence has been shown to prove the existence of one, let alone "over 100"?

And, if they do exist, what are the chances of one being in "pristine condition" if they had been buried?

Would those doing the burying have taken the time to check that the aircraft were packed correctly before piling a shed load of mud on top of the (quite possibly) non-reinforced boxes?

Why crate them up and not fly them out?
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