UK Military Training Renewal

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Canberra TT.18 wrote:I see
20 Prefect (ZM301-ZM320) was 23
6 Texan (ZM325-ZM330) was 10
4 Phemon (ZM334-337) was 5
That is less than earlier announced
The gaps also don't fully make up for the others.


Slightly different serials and numbers on UK serials..

23x Prefects - ZM300-ZM322
10x Texan IIs - ZM323-ZM332
5x Phenoms - ZM333-ZM337

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HaveQuick2 wrote:
capercaillie wrote:Six T-6s? That's all? :shock:

Why bother? :dizzy:


It is ten (for now). "Why bother" to research the facts?


Ten T-6s? That's all? :shock:

Why bother? :dizzy:

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It'll be interesting to see how 10 T-6s pan out, but when you compare it to the number of aircraft RAF EFT use on a daily basis (and bear in mind only a few will move up to the T-6), and the number of frames 45 Sqn have conducted ME AFT on, it's not that ridiculous and actually makes reasonable sense. Obviously as a contractor they don't have to provide the long term fleet up front; they have the luxury of renewing the fleet as and when required. The Tucano fleet was bought to service and maintain a Cold War RAF training system over several decades too.

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I'm with Capercaille; just 10? And how many Typhoons and Lightnings are we expecting to need pilots for? I'm sure we train overseas pilots as well don't we? Plus it's safe to assume one or two will be unserviceable at any given time. I suppose it means most training will be done on the PlayStation.

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harkins wrote:I'm with Capercaille; just 10? And how many Typhoons and Lightnings are we expecting to need pilots for? I'm sure we train overseas pilots as well don't we? Plus it's safe to assume one or two will be unserviceable at any given time. I suppose it means most training will be done on the PlayStation.


To put it into perspective, RAF EFT (ie 16 & 57 Sqn) will probably utilise 5 or 6, maybe 7 at a push, Tutors each on a daily basis. Coming back to what I said about the proportion of those graduating onto BFJT, and you then see 10 isn't all that ridiculous, even taking into account servicing and unplanned unservicabilities.

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If you put it that way it's enough. To be honest, I find it difficult not to think from the heart about these things because as an enthusiast I just can't come to terms with anything that doesn't mean more aircraft, more bases and more flying. The costs and necessities of real life make my hobby less enjoyable year on year.

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harkins wrote:If you put it that way it's enough. To be honest, I find it difficult not to think from the heart about these things because as an enthusiast I just can't come to terms with anything that doesn't mean more aircraft, more bases and more flying. The costs and necessities of real life make my hobby less enjoyable year on year.


Don't worry, I'm with you there!

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GertrudetheMerciless wrote:
harkins wrote:I'm with Capercaille; just 10? And how many Typhoons and Lightnings are we expecting to need pilots for? I'm sure we train overseas pilots as well don't we? Plus it's safe to assume one or two will be unserviceable at any given time. I suppose it means most training will be done on the PlayStation.


To put it into perspective, RAF EFT (ie 16 & 57 Sqn) will probably utilise 5 or 6, maybe 7 at a push, Tutors each on a daily basis. Coming back to what I said about the proportion of those graduating onto BFJT, and you then see 10 isn't all that ridiculous, even taking into account servicing and unplanned unservicabilities.


We also send crews to Canada and US for NATO training too.

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boff180 wrote:We also send crews to Canada and US for NATO training too.


It's been several years since anyone was sent to NFTC (and most recently that was Tac Weapons up til 6 or 7 years ago).

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DeanW wrote:
Canberra TT.18 wrote:I see
20 Prefect (ZM301-ZM320) was 23
6 Texan (ZM325-ZM330) was 10
4 Phemon (ZM334-337) was 5
That is less than earlier announced
The gaps also don't fully make up for the others.


Slightly different serials and numbers on UK serials..

23x Prefects - ZM300-ZM322
10x Texan IIs - ZM323-ZM332
5x Phenoms - ZM333-ZM337


UK serials now has the serialblocks in line with the number of aircraft needed/ordered

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capercaillie wrote:Better for you? :dunno:


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boff180 wrote:
Going by that announcement, you can kiss RAF Linton-on-Ouse good bye.




That's the final nail in the coffin for anything military aviation in my area :wall: :wall:

Elvington, Church Fenton, Linton, Finningley, Topcliffe, Dishforth, Leeming (to an extent) all will be just a distant memory :sad: :sad: :sad:
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We had over 200 Jet Provosts in the 80s. Then over 100 Tucanos in the 90s. How just 10 Texans (it would be 7 max at any one stage available because of maintenance) is incredible. Although perhaps the plan is as one lands it goes off again withing an hour with another instructor and student and doesnt sit around. Higher utilisation.

I see the Hawks have all now finished apart from 100sq and the RA.

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Traveller wrote:I see the Hawks have all now finished apart from 100sq and the RA.

And 736NAS.

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Canberra TT.18 wrote:
UK serials now has the serialblocks in line with the number of aircraft needed/ordered


Yes, you probably checked our site in mid-update.

We are just a small band of amateurs who provide this information in our spare time.
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tommc wrote:
Canberra TT.18 wrote:
UK serials now has the serialblocks in line with the number of aircraft needed/ordered


Yes, you probably checked our site in mid-update.

We are just a small band of amateurs who provide this information in our spare time.


And very much apprecaited. :clap:
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Gallery at following link showing Phenom 100, serial ZM333.

http://www.affinityfts.co.uk/gallery/em ... he-phenom/

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Hearing rumours that the Junos and Jupiters are to be on the civil register; maybe on the UK Serials guys could confirm/deny? :)

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Hampshire Aviation wrote:Hearing rumours that the Junos and Jupiters are to be on the civil register; maybe on the UK Serials guys could confirm/deny? :)


These rumours may be correct, but they DO have military serials allocated.
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Hampshire Aviation wrote:Hearing rumours that the Junos and Jupiters are to be on the civil register; maybe on the UK Serials guys could confirm/deny? :)


As a Shawbury 'local' I've not heard either way - but I will ask the question of some friends at the first opportunity!

I wouldn't be surprised if they are managed akin to the current fleet of Squirrels & Griffins and whilst these operate with military serials - they all still wear their civilian ID on a plate affixed to the cabin floor!

However, the usual arguments pertaining to 'they need to be military registered to go low-level...' don't really apply to helicopters - as generally they are operating low-level for the vast majority of their sorties within LFA9.

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Arthur Tee wrote:
Hampshire Aviation wrote:Hearing rumours that the Junos and Jupiters are to be on the civil register; maybe on the UK Serials guys could confirm/deny? :)


As a Shawbury 'local' I've not heard either way - but I will ask the question of some friends at the first opportunity!

Arthur


As I've already stated, they DO have military serials allocated.
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Hampshire Aviation wrote:Hearing rumours that the Junos and Jupiters are to be on the civil register; maybe on the UK Serials guys could confirm/deny? :)

Can I show my ignorance,what are Juno`s and Jupiter`s,I only know of them as a Roman Goddess and God :smile: :smile: :smile:

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Airbus Helicopters H135s and H145s respectively (if I remember rightly!)

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OK, I didn`t know that,thought you were talking about the Prefect,Texan II and Phenom

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tommc wrote:
Hampshire Aviation wrote:Hearing rumours that the Junos and Jupiters are to be on the civil register; maybe on the UK Serials guys could confirm/deny? :)


These rumours may be correct, but they DO have military serials allocated.

What are the serials,please,if I may ask