Does HHA have an F4?

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wezgulf3 wrote:
iainpeden wrote:
Steve p wrote:Nice to have a flying F 4 over here again though a bit like there Bucceneer it will disappear off the face of the Earth never to be heard of again!. :ninja:


The Hunter at HHA costs £4000 per fillup, the Bucc holds 12 tonnes of fuel. The only reason the Hunters are flying is that contracts exist which pays for all that. So far there is no demand for the Bucc and therefore it will not fly; if the situation changes they have the authority to fly her. Fingers crossed that the F-4 becomes suficiently economically viable to be based and used in GB.



So do they taxi or at least run the Bucc?

Wes....


Anti Det runs are done on the SU-22 and Bucc yes that is correct.

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chrisward123 wrote:
wezgulf3 wrote:
iainpeden wrote:
Steve p wrote:Nice to have a flying F 4 over here again though a bit like there Bucceneer it will disappear off the face of the Earth never to be heard of again!. :ninja:


The Hunter at HHA costs £4000 per fillup, the Bucc holds 12 tonnes of fuel. The only reason the Hunters are flying is that contracts exist which pays for all that. So far there is no demand for the Bucc and therefore it will not fly; if the situation changes they have the authority to fly her. Fingers crossed that the F-4 becomes suficiently economically viable to be based and used in GB.



So do they taxi or at least run the Bucc?

Wes....


Anti Det runs are done on the SU-22 and Bucc yes that is correct.

Christian



Good to know!

Wes...

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So HHA now has two airworthy F-58s, plus one in store/rebuild (ZZ194) - is its 2-seater XF995 flying currently?
I guess with this 'new' jet, the restoration of T.8 XF994 will slow - a shame.
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chrisward123 wrote:Speaking to the HHA boys at RIAT...

They have acquired a 2 seat Hunter from Brazil and it is currently being shipped over at the moment, they hope to have it flying very soon (possibly PP-XHH - ex Embraer chase plane)
They also stated they 'will' have there 2nd F-4 Phantom on static at RIAT next year.
Also all aircraft will receive the Splinter Camo livery as seen on ZZ191 in the static at RIAT. (ZZ190 to recieve new livery in coming weeks)


Hawker Hunter Aviation Ltd. (HHA) at RAF Scampton has come into possession of former Embraer flight-test chase plane Hunter T72 PP-XHH. Currently housed in one of the main Scampton hangars, noted on 4/9/18.
This 2 seater will be returned to fly as soon as is possible.

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Slight thread drift I know, but according to their website, HAA have 12 Mk.58 Hunters! Anyone know if they are all airworthy? They have 17 aircraft in total (currently, including the Fitter and the Bucc).
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The G-INFO website only lists 11 aircraft, mostly Hunters.....6 still registered ( 5 Hunters & a Buccaneer ) and 5 de-registered ( all Hunters )
No mention of the SU22 on there, though....don't know if it - and others - aren't on the UK register yet
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Some of their ships are on the military register:

41H/697433 ZZ190 Hawker Hunter F58 Ex SwiAF J-4066, to G-BXNZ, to G-HHAE, to ZZ190
41H/697425 ZZ191 Hawker Hunter F58 Ex SwiAF J-4058, to G-BWFS, to G-HHAD, to ZZ191
41H/691770 ZZ194 Hawker Hunter F58 Ex SwiAF J-4021, to G-BWIU, to G-HHAC, to ZZ194
4747 ZK848 McDD Phantom F-4F Ex 72-1258, ex GAF 38+48

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Think the Hunters you list are some of the 5 on the re-registered list ( if I recall correctly, the others are another Mk.58 and a T8 )
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Hmm, I'm sure I posted a list of all their Hunters with what I believe to be their current state yesterday, but it's gone now. :question:

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cg_341 wrote:Hmm, I'm sure I posted a list of all their Hunters with what I believe to be their current state yesterday, but it's gone now. :question:

I seem to remember your post now, odd.
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ColeTheDemolisher wrote:
cg_341 wrote:Hmm, I'm sure I posted a list of all their Hunters with what I believe to be their current state yesterday, but it's gone now. :question:

I seem to remember your post now, odd.

Absolutely nothing in the logs to say that any post in this thread, let alone one from Chris, has been removed.
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That's weird Dan, I definitely remember posting it as I'd split it by type and then status (bold being flyable, italic being unflyable, etc.)

I can re-do it should anyone be interested!

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HHA did have, at one point the following F-58 Hunters...

J-4031
J-4072
J-4090
J-4105

All of them were sold, or long term leased to ATAC in the USA, formerly Northern Lights about 10 years ago.

They still have...

J-4066 / ZZ190 (airworthy)
J-4058 / ZZ191 (airworthy)
PP-XHH (airworthy*)
T.8B XF995 (stored)
T.8 XF994 (was under restoration)
T.7 XL587 (stored)
GA.11 XE685 (spares cab)
J-4021 / ZZ194 (restoration)

Also potentially in store is J-4110, and another F-58.
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I know you will never see J-4105 again :sad:

Its the one that was lost a couple of years back on return from Nevada. IIRC

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Would be nice to see the F-4 flying again, and also the Buccaneer must be work for theses aircraft out there.

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The F-4F that is the flyer is still in Germany, and may NOT even appear in the UK.

And the one at Scampton is NOT the flyer, nor will it ever be. Spares only etc, supposedly had its main spar cut.

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Binbrook 01 wrote:The F-4F that is the flyer is still in Germany, and may NOT even appear in the UK.

And the one at Scampton is NOT the flyer, nor will it ever be. Spares only etc, supposedly had its main spar cut.


The F-4 flyer currently in Germany as far as I know as of last month is still scheduled to fly to Scampton in the next 6 months... Just awaiting the Germans to sign it all off.

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Interesting thread, i wonder if HHA have the necessary approvals from both BAFA in Germany and DTSA in Washington for the aircraft? I highly doubt that DTSA would approve transfer of the APG-65, ALR-68 and J79 tech data to a UK Private Entity, the provisos on TPT for an item sold, and later upgraded under FMS would be quite restrictive i would expect.

Based on the above, i wouldn’t expect to to see 38+48 in the UK anytime soon. Also, one has to wonder how it can have a UK MAR Serial allocated, i doubt it has been through the MACP process for a MPTF.

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And the award for the post with the most acronyms or abbreviations goes to...
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A rather negative first post and the winner of an "tpwtmaoa" award too!

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Intruder_BN wrote:Interesting thread, i wonder if HHA have the necessary approvals from both BAFA in Germany and DTSA in Washington for the aircraft? I highly doubt that DTSA would approve transfer of the APG-65, ALR-68 and J79 tech data to a UK Private Entity, the provisos on TPT for an item sold, and later upgraded under FMS would be quite restrictive i would expect.

Based on the above, i wouldn’t expect to to see 38+48 in the UK anytime soon. Also, one has to wonder how it can have a UK MAR Serial allocated, i doubt it has been through the MACP process for a MPTF.


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Amp wrote:A rather negative first post and the winner of an "tpwtmaoa" award too!


I know it`s an abbreviation,but what doe`s TPWTMAOA , mean. :confused: :confused:

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I was just surprised that the BAFTAs had anything to do with it.

Although I did then actually read it properly...

But I do wish some people wouldn't assume we all know what this stuff means!
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Seriously though... does anyone actually have any update on this?
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