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I'm another one who visits quite frequently and posts rarely, and I wouldn't object to a move to a subscription/donation based model.

I find UKAR an invaluable resource with regards to what's going on in the airshow scene and the photography tips especially have helped me improve my photography immeasurably. I don't think I would have gone to half the events I've been to if it wasn't for this site. For me it would be a real shame if it were to disappear, and I'd strongly resist any move to facebook page as I think that's the wrong direction to go in.

I guess given the infrequency of my posting I'd probably be classified as an "inactive" user, but to echo what has already been said, quite often I find what I'm looking for so don't have to ask a question and I'd only post if I feel have something to add that hasn't already been said. I think the idea of a like button or similar is a good one

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McG wrote:
UK Airshow Review wrote:Dear members,

Since its inception in 1996, UKAR has been run and largely funded from the pocket of its owner and creator, Paul Osborne. For personal reasons, he is no longer able to continue to fund UKAR and has handed the website to the (volunteer) staff team – with the exception of the domain. The server that holds UKAR is now in the name of Andrew Evans on behalf of the staff team so that the site can remain open, however, there is no one person on the team able to come forward and take on the financial burden alone as Paul has done for so long, leaving the future of UKAR at this time in an uncertain position.


Do you have a long term agreement in place with Paul for the continued use of the domain name?

What happens if someone / organisation makes Paul an offer for the domain name? Do you have the option to match?

Do you have contingencies in place should the domain not be available to you in the future?


I'm not dead - yet! Just to clarify. I have no intention of selling on the domain name(s) for profit or using them in other projects. I do, however, have email accounts under that domain name, hence the reason for wanting to keep it. While UKAR exists the domain name will accompany it.

The reason for me to pass on the site is because I've exchanged my career and home in London to a quieter life in the country. I haven't contributed to UKAR for some years and there's no point in me paying server costs if I'm not involved. I also have a pretty serious illness which will become more of a concern in the not too distant future and I don't want my wife to be worrying about bills.

It has been a pleasure to be the originator of UKAR which started off as a little pet project, I never expected it to be going this long. I wish the team well in carrying the site forward. :pinkwafer:
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jingernut wrote:
BDL wrote:UKAR is too valuable a resource to lose, quite simple.


Really? I'm sure everything in the forum is available elsewhere. I'm sure people would get over it if it disappeared.

And £22... surely the admins can muster that!


Well that's my opinion, if you don't like it then you don't have to stick around do you?
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cambo007 wrote:I'm another one who visits quite frequently and posts rarely, and I wouldn't object to a move to a subscription/donation based model.

I find UKAR an invaluable resource with regards to what's going on in the airshow scene and the photography tips especially have helped me improve my photography immeasurably. I don't think I would have gone to half the events I've been to if it wasn't for this site. For me it would be a real shame if it were to disappear, and I'd strongly resist any move to facebook page as I think that's the wrong direction to go in.

I guess given the infrequency of my posting I'd probably be classified as an "inactive" user, but to echo what has already been said, quite often I find what I'm looking for so don't have to ask a question and I'd only post if I feel have something to add that hasn't already been said. I think the idea of a like button or similar is a good one

Cam


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The Big Cheese wrote:
McG wrote:
UK Airshow Review wrote:Dear members,

Since its inception in 1996, UKAR has been run and largely funded from the pocket of its owner and creator, Paul Osborne. For personal reasons, he is no longer able to continue to fund UKAR and has handed the website to the (volunteer) staff team – with the exception of the domain. The server that holds UKAR is now in the name of Andrew Evans on behalf of the staff team so that the site can remain open, however, there is no one person on the team able to come forward and take on the financial burden alone as Paul has done for so long, leaving the future of UKAR at this time in an uncertain position.


Do you have a long term agreement in place with Paul for the continued use of the domain name?

What happens if someone / organisation makes Paul an offer for the domain name? Do you have the option to match?

Do you have contingencies in place should the domain not be available to you in the future?


I'm not dead - yet! Just to clarify. I have no intention of selling on the domain name(s) for profit or using them in other projects. I do, however, have email accounts under that domain name, hence the reason for wanting to keep it. While UKAR exists the domain name will accompany it.

The reason for me to pass on the site is because I've exchanged my career and home in London to a quieter life in the country. I haven't contributed to UKAR for some years and there's no point in me paying server costs if I'm not involved. I also have a pretty serious illness which will become more of a concern in the not too distant future and I don't want my wife to be worrying about bills.

It has been a pleasure to be the originator of UKAR which started off as a little pet project, I never expected it to be going this long. I wish the team well in carrying the site forward. :pinkwafer:


Sorry to hear about your health, Paul. You should be aware and extremely proud of the contribution to the hobby that UKAR has made over the last 22 years, revolutionising (not, I feel, too strong a word) what was a solitary hobby into one which is now an extremely social one. UKAR's role in that cannot be underestimated, whatever the bitter naysayers will claim.

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The Big Cheese wrote:
McG wrote:
UK Airshow Review wrote:Dear members,

Since its inception in 1996, UKAR has been run and largely funded from the pocket of its owner and creator, Paul Osborne. For personal reasons, he is no longer able to continue to fund UKAR and has handed the website to the (volunteer) staff team – with the exception of the domain. The server that holds UKAR is now in the name of Andrew Evans on behalf of the staff team so that the site can remain open, however, there is no one person on the team able to come forward and take on the financial burden alone as Paul has done for so long, leaving the future of UKAR at this time in an uncertain position.


Do you have a long term agreement in place with Paul for the continued use of the domain name?

What happens if someone / organisation makes Paul an offer for the domain name? Do you have the option to match?

Do you have contingencies in place should the domain not be available to you in the future?


I'm not dead - yet! Just to clarify. I have no intention of selling on the domain name(s) for profit or using them in other projects. I do, however, have email accounts under that domain name, hence the reason for wanting to keep it. While UKAR exists the domain name will accompany it.

The reason for me to pass on the site is because I've exchanged my career and home in London to a quieter life in the country. I haven't contributed to UKAR for some years and there's no point in me paying server costs if I'm not involved. I also have a pretty serious illness which will become more of a concern in the not too distant future and I don't want my wife to be worrying about bills.

It has been a pleasure to be the originator of UKAR which started off as a little pet project, I never expected it to be going this long. I wish the team well in carrying the site forward. :pinkwafer:


Thank you Paul, for bringing the site and all its resources to us. Those of us who have made it part of our online lives and have found it useful over the years are very grateful for it.

Enjoy your retirement and all the best for the future and I think that I can speak on behalf of all the members in saying best wishes for a full recovery from your illness.

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The Big Cheese wrote:
McG wrote:
UK Airshow Review wrote:Dear members,

Since its inception in 1996, UKAR has been run and largely funded from the pocket of its owner and creator, Paul Osborne. For personal reasons, he is no longer able to continue to fund UKAR and has handed the website to the (volunteer) staff team – with the exception of the domain. The server that holds UKAR is now in the name of Andrew Evans on behalf of the staff team so that the site can remain open, however, there is no one person on the team able to come forward and take on the financial burden alone as Paul has done for so long, leaving the future of UKAR at this time in an uncertain position.


Do you have a long term agreement in place with Paul for the continued use of the domain name?

What happens if someone / organisation makes Paul an offer for the domain name? Do you have the option to match?

Do you have contingencies in place should the domain not be available to you in the future?


I'm not dead - yet! Just to clarify. I have no intention of selling on the domain name(s) for profit or using them in other projects. I do, however, have email accounts under that domain name, hence the reason for wanting to keep it. While UKAR exists the domain name will accompany it.

The reason for me to pass on the site is because I've exchanged my career and home in London to a quieter life in the country. I haven't contributed to UKAR for some years and there's no point in me paying server costs if I'm not involved. I also have a pretty serious illness which will become more of a concern in the not too distant future and I don't want my wife to be worrying about bills.

It has been a pleasure to be the originator of UKAR which started off as a little pet project, I never expected it to be going this long. I wish the team well in carrying the site forward. :pinkwafer:


Sad to read that your health is not as good as you would like it to be Paul. Just wanted to send my appreciation for all that you have done over the years, and also your wife too who i remember helping out in The Kemble Enclosure.
Probably UKAR's finest hour!

Hope you get well soon and thanks.

Pat :smile:

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Pat Murphy wrote:Probably UKAR's finest hour!


Erm, Board Digest? *cough cough*

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Thanks,

That’s reassuring.

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The Ghost of the CFG wrote:
Pat Murphy wrote:Probably UKAR's finest hour!


Erm, Board Digest? *cough cough*


:grin: :grin:

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Long time reader, rarely post as I feel most questions I have are answered already etc

Would be a big shame to lose this site, been cutting down on my use of social media as I was getting fed up of the rubbish people post about, so I get most of my airshow news and info here

Hopefully this site can carry on for many years to come. Good luck to the mods!

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I'm a member of many fora online and use UKAR almost exclusively.

I do, however, not object to paying up to £20.00 P.A. for membership to this site providing the content was 'beefed up' a lot from where it is at present. No video's, no model aircraft or computer simulations..... just the facts.

However i suggest that the mods look at 'incentives' to take out the (for example) £20.00 P.A. membership like exclusive aircraft shoots and visits (payable on top of membership) , and implement a feed to members via their phones with top gen, and garner support from squadrons who might visit the UK for visits to the cad etc.

not totally beyond the realms of fantasy i think, but either way i'll continue to support UKAR as much as i can as it is a valuable asset!

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Well this thread has had a good response, the most I have seen in a while. Maybe some should respond a bit more to other threads like Richard Cooke RIP one of the best aviation photographers over the years. As this is an aviation website. :wall:

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It would be a huge loss if we lose UKAR as its the go to site for airshow information.

I would however would only pay a fee to join if there was none of this continual pettiness in regards to spelling grammar and goading that some members on here seem to enjoy doing (and may also be a reason why site has gone downhill)
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jingernut wrote:
BDL wrote:UKAR is too valuable a resource to lose, quite simple.


Really? I'm sure everything in the forum is available elsewhere. I'm sure people would get over it if it disappeared.

And £22... surely the admins can muster that!



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rdchawk wrote:I would however would only pay a fee to join if there was none of this continual pettiness in regards to spelling grammar


Whereas I, on the other hand, am not particularly inclined to pay to read a load of illiterate gibberish. I can get plenty of that for free on social media.

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The Big Cheese wrote:I'm not dead - yet! Just to clarify. I have no intention of selling on the domain name(s) for profit or using them in other projects. I do, however, have email accounts under that domain name, hence the reason for wanting to keep it. While UKAR exists the domain name will accompany it.

The reason for me to pass on the site is because I've exchanged my career and home in London to a quieter life in the country. I haven't contributed to UKAR for some years and there's no point in me paying server costs if I'm not involved. I also have a pretty serious illness which will become more of a concern in the not too distant future and I don't want my wife to be worrying about bills.

It has been a pleasure to be the originator of UKAR which started off as a little pet project, I never expected it to be going this long. I wish the team well in carrying the site forward. :pinkwafer:

I don't know you, but best of luck for the future and thanks for what you created. :clap:

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tache3 wrote:
rdchawk wrote:I would however would only pay a fee to join if there was none of this continual pettiness in regards to spelling grammar


Whereas I, on the other hand, am not particularly inclined to pay to read a load of illiterate gibberish. I can get plenty of that for free on social media.


There's a difference between those posts where it is hard to actually understand what's being said and those that pick holes that there is a comma missing!
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I joined in August 2008 after it was suggested by the Airshow team @ RAF Leuchars as the place to come for info and I have not looked back since. I post airshow photos and occasionally contribute to posts(if I have something new to add). I visit the site most days for a catch up of whats been happening and checking out the latest pics. I too would like to pass on thanks to Paul for starting the site and for keeping it going, and also to the staffers and helpers who are now involved with the upgrade. I would be happy to donate to help keep the site going.

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Like many other members, I fit the pattern of frequent visitor, occasional poster. Seeing images and reading comments on this site was the reason I went to Old Warden for the first time back in 2014. The first flight of the Comet in that evening light, really was one of those "I was there..." moments. For that alone I'd be more than willing to pay a small subscription to keep things going.

Thanks to the team for being open and transparent about the situation and the costs - not an easy thing to do when you have limited chance to gauge reaction from an open forum. It's a shame some larger organisations involved in the airshow business don't seem as willing to adopt these principles...it generates so much goodwill...
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A while ago there was an appeal for donations to keep the site going, I made a wee contribution myself, so would a donation campaign be enough to generate enough money to keep the site going? (Sorry if it's a naff idea, but I have no idea how much it costs to operate a site like this).
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Thanks for the concern about my health. Unfortunately I'll be needing a new kidney in a few years but it's not holding me back at the moment.

While digging around I found the first incarnation of this here site. Things have moved on a bit.

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toom317 wrote: I made a wee contribution myself, .

Surely some money would have been more beneficial??... :sick: :smile:
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I can only echo Dan's comments above. I am sorry to learn of your illness and wish you well Paul.

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The Big Cheese wrote:Things have moved on a bit.


They certainly have Paul. I remember those early days, searching on Netscape to see if there was anything 'airshow' out there on the internet. After lurking for some time I started posting around the turn of the Millennium I think, and time has flown. Unfortunately I've never met you and had chance to thank you for everything you've done.. So cheers Big Cheese, and all the very best for the future. I hope you do get to the odd airshow very now and then.

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